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ORDSCL Apr 3, 2015 11:46 am

Frustrated with award reservation - need help
 
Called to book a ORD-YYZ on AA. KVS shows availability in business. Checked on the Qantas site and can also see business availability (hence my assumption is Lan should see that availability as well).

(I call the premium "english" speaking callcenter. Rep tells me I can't book that flight at all since it is American Eagle which is not part of Oneworld... I'm about to HUCA since I realized this is not going to work. Unbelievable. Upon me insisting he's wrong he checks and confirms that of course I can in fact book an American Eagle flight using lanpass km.)

However, he doesn't see availability. How can there be availability for Qantas and not for Lan? Is he just wrong? Any suggestion?

thanks

KVS Apr 3, 2015 4:04 pm


Originally Posted by ORDSCL (Post 24611811)
Called to book a ORD-YYZ on AA. KVS shows availability in business. Checked on the Qantas site and can also see business availability (hence my assumption is Lan should see that availability as well).

That is correct.


Originally Posted by ORDSCL (Post 24611811)
However, he doesn't see availability.

What's the Flight #/Date in question?

ORDSCL Apr 3, 2015 5:52 pm

AA3179 ORD YYZ on 6/25
AA3134 YYZ ORD on 6/26

btw, I reset my pin on qantas.com, updated KVS but it's showing MSIE cookies error, any suggestion?

KVS Apr 4, 2015 10:10 am


Originally Posted by ORDSCL (Post 24613527)
AA3179 ORD YYZ on 6/25
AA3134 YYZ ORD on 6/26

There is currently no Award Availability on the return flight:

[KVS Tool 7.7.6/Diamond - Awards/BA-OneWorld]
Code:

ORD  Chicago O'Hare Intl IL US [KORD]
YYZ  Toronto Lester B Pearson Intl ON CA [CYYZ]
THU  25 Jun 2015 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive        St  Award Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------------
AA/MQ      3179    ORD  06:55    YYZ  09:32              CS2  YS0
AA/MQ      3264    ORD  15:00    YYZ  17:42              CS1  YS0
AA/MQ      3093    ORD  16:59    YYZ  19:46              CS1  YS0
AA/MQ      3229    ORD  18:30    YYZ  21:18              CS1  YS0
AA        394    ORD  07:15    LGA  10:28              YS1
 -> AA/MQ  3039    LGA  11:40    YYZ  13:19              CS+  YS0
AA        1682    ORD  08:55    LGA  12:08              YS1
 -> AA/MQ  3427    LGA  13:36    YYZ  15:18              CS0  YS+

[KVS Tool 7.7.6/Diamond - Awards/BA-OneWorld]
Code:

YYZ  Toronto Lester B Pearson Intl ON CA [CYYZ]
ORD  Chicago O'Hare Intl IL US [KORD]
FRI  26 Jun 2015 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive        St  Award Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------------
AA/MQ      3516    YYZ  15:15    ORD  16:05              CS2  YS0
AA/MQ      3216    YYZ  18:22    ORD  19:18              CS3  YS0
AA/MQ      3348    YYZ  20:29    ORD  21:10              CS1  YS0


Originally Posted by ORDSCL (Post 24613527)
btw, I reset my pin on qantas.com, updated KVS but it's showing MSIE cookies error, any suggestion?

Please check your MSIE Cookie Settings and restart the KVS Tool:

http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Cookies
http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Clear

ORDSCL Apr 6, 2015 8:54 am

Well, by the time you checked it WAS gone. Now it's gone on the outbound leg as well so no point in further pursuing this. I'm positive though I was looking at the Qantas website and the available business seat on AA was there... yet the Lan agent couldn't see it. Better luck next time.

cheaptom Apr 6, 2015 12:29 pm


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 24613090)
That is correct.



What's the Flight #/Date in question?

Does KVS show you dates (or approximations) when an airline might open up seats for award travel? I mean if no award seats are CURRENTLY available, does KVS help you find out when those seats might open?

KVS Apr 6, 2015 12:57 pm


Originally Posted by ORDSCL (Post 24623853)
Well, by the time you checked it WAS gone. Now it's gone on the outbound leg as well so no point in further pursuing this. I'm positive though I was looking at the Qantas website and the available business seat on AA was there... yet the Lan agent couldn't see it. Better luck next time.

QF website is not a reliable source for AA Award Availability.
As noted in the AA section of the KVS Tool User Guide, the [Awards/BA-OneWorld] Method should be used instead:

http://Help.KVSTool.com/#AA

KVS Apr 6, 2015 12:59 pm


Originally Posted by cheaptom (Post 24624967)
Does KVS show you dates (or approximations) when an airline might open up seats for award travel? I mean if no award seats are CURRENTLY available, does KVS help you find out when those seats might open?

No tool can predict something that may or may not happen in the future.

However, KVS Tool makes it easy to periodically [re-]check for Award Availability.

ORDSCL Apr 7, 2015 9:48 am

I switched to using the BA method:

[KVS Tool 7.7.2/Diamond - Awards/BA-OneWorld]
Code:

ORD  Chicago O'Hare Intl IL US [KORD]
YYZ  Toronto Lester B Pearson Intl ON CA [CYYZ]
THU  25 Jun 2015 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive        St  Award Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------------
AA/MQ      3179    ORD  06:55    YYZ  09:32              CS2  YS0
AA/MQ      3264    ORD  15:00    YYZ  17:42              CS1  YS0
AA/MQ      3093    ORD  16:59    YYZ  19:46              CS1  YS0



[KVS Tool 7.7.2/Diamond - Awards/BA-OneWorld]
Code:

YYZ  Toronto Lester B Pearson Intl ON CA [CYYZ]
ORD  Chicago O'Hare Intl IL US [KORD]
FRI  26 Jun 2015 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive        St  Award Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------------
AA/MQ      3516    YYZ  15:15    ORD  16:05              CS2  YS0
AA/MQ      3216    YYZ  18:22    ORD  19:18              CS3  YS0
AA/MQ      3348    YYZ  20:29    ORD  21:10              CS1  YS0

Doesn't that mean there is availability on the outbound and inbound?

KVS Apr 7, 2015 10:11 am


Originally Posted by ORDSCL (Post 24629525)
I switched to using the BA method:


Originally Posted by ORDSCL (Post 24629525)
Doesn't that mean there is availability on the outbound and inbound?

Yes, it does.

For tips on dealing with Agents, who may claim otherwise, please see http://Help.KVSTool.com/#AgentSaysNo

ORDSCL Apr 7, 2015 10:14 am

I understand but regarding LAN, and maybe other folks can chime in here, if I can't see the AA availability on the Lanpass site the agents can't see it either and nothing I've tried so far has worked.


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