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theboss7593 Jan 16, 20 11:53 pm

LATAM Moving to Terminal 4 at JFK. BYE BYE Flagship Lounge
 
Well the reality of the merger is hitting and boy oh boy what a horrible move. LATAM effective FEB 1st is moving from Terminal 8 to Terminal 4. Bye Bye American Flagship, hello crappy Delta Lounge. T4 is over crowded as is. So is their lounge. And considering LATAM doesn't participate in TSA that will still remain an issue at a more crowded terminal. At least at T8 you only had LATAM customers and the one CX flight occupying late at night.


Delta points suck for value, AVIOS certainly crushes it even it's its availability isn't great. The reality is sinking in...


Wonder if one can still use the Flagship Lounge until LATAM actually leaves OW .

https://onemileatatime.com/latam-jfk-terminal-change/

Carolinas Jan 17, 20 2:36 pm

Absolute disaster indeed :td: Losing American Flagship lounge to Delta SkyClub is quite a significant downgrade. Although it might be technically possible to use the Flagship one in Terminal 8, I don't think it's a good idea. Getting through security in T8, visiting the lounge, then Airtran to T4, another security check, and good luck if your plane is located at one of those the most remote B-gates (more than a 1 km walk). I am also wondering how LATAM will be fulfilling their OW commitments when it comes to OW elites (Emerald and Sapphire) when it comes to lounge access (well, it not gonna last long, but still) ?

DMPHL Jan 17, 20 11:04 pm


Originally Posted by Carolinas (Post 31963210)
Absolute disaster indeed :td: Losing American Flagship lounge to Delta SkyClub is quite a significant downgrade. Although it might be technically possible to use the Flagship one in Terminal 8, I don't think it's a good idea. Getting through security in T8, visiting the lounge, then Airtran to T4, another security check, and good luck if your plane is located at one of those the most remote B-gates (more than a 1 km walk). I am also wondering how LATAM will be fulfilling their OW commitments when it comes to OW elites (Emerald and Sapphire) when it comes to lounge access (well, it not gonna last long, but still) ?

No guarantee even of Skyclub...LATAM could contract with the Wingtips Lounge or the Air India Maharaja Lounge for Oneworld elites, no?

Carolinas Jan 18, 20 8:03 am


Originally Posted by DMPHL (Post 31964495)
No guarantee even of Skyclub...LATAM could contract with the Wingtips Lounge or the Air India Maharaja Lounge for Oneworld elites, no?

For LATAM elites it should be SkyClub according to LATAM's email they recently sent around: "Además, si eres socio de las categorías Black Signature, Black o Platinum o si viajas en la cabina Premium Business, podrás acceder al Salón VIP de Delta ubicado en el mismo terminal." . As for the OW ones - it's not clear yet. Anyone knows ?

theboss7593 Jan 21, 20 11:33 am

I submitted a complaint, not that it will do anything but I suggested they should contract a better lounge than SkyClub.

Eastbay1K Jan 21, 20 11:52 am


Originally Posted by theboss7593 (Post 31977618)
I submitted a complaint, not that it will do anything but I suggested they should contract a better lounge than SkyClub.

From the company that didn't seem to care that one of its principal hubs (LIM) didn't have lounge access for how long ... (a couple of years?) I'd expect that your complaint will be given very special attention!

theboss7593 Jan 21, 20 11:55 am


Originally Posted by Eastbay1K (Post 31977702)
From the company that didn't seem to care that one of its principal hubs (LIM) didn't have lounge access for how long ... (a couple of years?) I'd expect that your complaint will be given very special attention!

Hey don't forget how long it's taken for the new Terminal to open in LIM. and it's still only partially open. Maybe their own lounge by 2023?

As a sidenote : With CDMX airport being cancelled SA investors are hungry I think there actually might be some movement on this now.

MfromL Jan 21, 20 5:16 pm


Originally Posted by theboss7593 (Post 31977719)
Hey don't forget how long it's taken for the new Terminal to open in LIM. and it's still only partially open. Maybe their own lounge by 2023?

LIM still does not have the new terminal. They are about to start building it, but only after the new runway is done (somewhere mid 2021). The new terminal is expected to open in 2023, and the full renewed airport (1 new terminal + 2 parallel operating runways + business center + old terminal converted into logistics area) to be done at the end of 2024 or beginning of 2025. But these are estimates and the project is already 5 years overdue.

michael1023 Jan 28, 20 10:41 am

so basically effective feb 1st, 2020, LATAM will fly out of T4 at JFK, and business class passengers will have access to the Delta Sky Club?

Semphyra Jan 28, 20 11:14 am


Originally Posted by michael1023 (Post 32004163)
so basically effective feb 1st, 2020, LATAM will fly out of T4 at JFK, and business class passengers will have access to the Delta Sky Club?

Yes and also Virgin's Lounge. It's not clear if Oneworld passengers on Economy (flying on LATAM) will be able to use them but according to the alliance agreements they should, unless they get a waiver from Oneworld

DMPHL Jan 28, 20 6:07 pm


Originally Posted by Semphyra (Post 32004295)
Yes and also Virgin's Lounge. It's not clear if Oneworld passengers on Economy (flying on LATAM) will be able to use them but according to the alliance agreements they should, unless they get a waiver from Oneworld

Is there official word that LATAM passengers would have access to the Virgin Atlantic Clubhouse? I would imagine access would be limited to the Delta SkyClub. DL and VS have an agreement in place for their passengers (DL elites and J passengers flying to the UK ONLY can use the Clubhouse).

I don't imagine that access would be extended to LATAM passengers, since while both LATAM and VS have agreements with Delta, that doesn't effectively create an agreement between VS and LATAM.

Semphyra Jan 28, 20 10:37 pm


Originally Posted by DMPHL (Post 32005837)
Is there official word that LATAM passengers would have access to the Virgin Atlantic Clubhouse? I would imagine access would be limited to the Delta SkyClub. DL and VS have an agreement in place for their passengers (DL elites and J passengers flying to the UK ONLY can use the Clubhouse).

I don't imagine that access would be extended to LATAM passengers, since while both LATAM and VS have agreements with Delta, that doesn't effectively create an agreement between VS and LATAM.

Is not official and neither the fine print. But a little birdie told me that VS lounge is included :)

DMPHL Jan 29, 20 9:15 am


Originally Posted by Semphyra (Post 32006493)
Is not official and neither the fine print. But a little birdie told me that VS lounge is included :)

Well that would honestly be an upgrade for Business Class passengers from the Flagship Lounge.

cphflyer_EB Jan 31, 20 12:00 pm

Does anybody know what will happen in other airports where LATAM has decent amount of flights, but no LATAM lounge? Like MAD, GIG, LGW, MIA etc when they leave OneWorld?

DMPHL Jan 31, 20 4:14 pm


Originally Posted by cphflyer_EB (Post 32016921)
Does anybody know what will happen in other airports where LATAM has decent amount of flights, but no LATAM lounge? Like MAD, GIG, LGW, MIA etc when they leave OneWorld?

In airports where there is no LATAM lounge, they will contract with either a third party lounge or another airline’s lounge. I’d imagine in places where they are maintaining relationships with former OneWorld partners, they may contract with those partners’ lounges (BA, IB, etc.)

There is a LATAM VIP Lounge at MIA.

geoshina Feb 1, 20 12:17 am

I remember that TAM used to be in T4 and the lounge contracted was the Clubhouse.

theboss7593 Feb 4, 20 2:11 pm


Originally Posted by MfromL (Post 31978937)
LIM still does not have the new terminal. They are about to start building it, but only after the new runway is done (somewhere mid 2021). The new terminal is expected to open in 2023, and the full renewed airport (1 new terminal + 2 parallel operating runways + business center + old terminal converted into logistics area) to be done at the end of 2024 or beginning of 2025. But these are estimates and the project is already 5 years overdue.

They do have an extension of the terminal that is brand new. But only a handful of the gates are being used, a lounge was suppose to go in that area.

Ironically I flew into JFK in the early hours of Feb 2nd (1AM) on AA just as (Day 2 of T4) of the XL JFK-GYE flight was departing and it indeed was pulling out of Terminal 4 (around B27 ish I believe). T8 was an absolute ghost town, with just CX going out after 11PM (and only 2 AA after 10PM) I wonder if they will really keep flagship open for 10 people until 12:30 daily. Now with 2-3 LATAM flights gone from that 10-12:30am window. CX is all that remains late night.

theboss7593 Feb 10, 20 9:51 pm


Originally Posted by Semphyra (Post 32006493)
Is not official and neither the fine print. But a little birdie told me that VS lounge is included :)

Can you PM me back on this if you can't publicly comment on this. I called and emailed and both sources and said VS lounge was NOT included.

Semphyra Feb 12, 20 9:38 pm


Originally Posted by theboss7593 (Post 32057463)
Can you PM me back on this if you can't publicly comment on this. I called and emailed and both sources and said VS lounge was NOT included.

It seems the deal isn't closed yet. Sorry about that

theboss7593 Feb 20, 20 5:59 am


Originally Posted by Semphyra (Post 32065610)
It seems the deal isn't closed yet. Sorry about that

The Delta Sky Club Deal at T4 is official with LATAM. Has finally been updated to their website. Still not a suitable replacement for the 2:05 GYE flight. SKY Club closes at Midnight.

Any word on VS Club?

michael1023 Feb 20, 20 6:47 am


Originally Posted by theboss7593 (Post 32092856)
The Delta Sky Club Deal at T4 is official with LATAM. Has finally been updated to their website. Still not a suitable replacement for the 2:05 GYE flight. SKY Club closes at Midnight.

Any word on VS Club?

205am flight? I thought it was 12:30am? and doesnt it bump up to 12am somewhere in the summer?

theboss7593 Feb 20, 20 11:42 am


Originally Posted by michael1023 (Post 32092964)
205am flight? I thought it was 12:30am? and doesnt it bump up to 12am somewhere in the summer?

It's 1:05 until DST then it's 2:05 until June where it's 1:50 all the way till DST in OCT it's only 12:10 for a short time frame between end of OCT and JAN.

michael1023 Feb 20, 20 11:50 am


Originally Posted by theboss7593 (Post 32093917)
It's 1:05 until DST then it's 2:05 until June where it's 1:50 all the way till DST in OCT it's only 12:10 for a short time frame between end of OCT and JAN.

What horrible times for a flight lol. Especially from my experience for a lot of passengers in wheelchairs.

theboss7593 Feb 20, 20 11:55 am


Originally Posted by michael1023 (Post 32093956)
What horrible times for a flight lol. Especially from my experience for a lot of passengers in wheelchairs.

The only good thing is it's the only inbound INTL flight at that hour so customs is always a breeze unlike LIM where if it was to arrive at this time vs previous time add multiple INTL arrivals to the list. Does stink though from a lounge perspective, could be on the plane and eyes shut by 12:30-1AM and could be out the door at arrivals before 7AM now its closer to 9.

michael1023 Feb 25, 20 7:29 am

just a quick question, sorry if i have asked this before, does anyone know why these jfk-gye flights are getting more and more into the middle of the night? it sucks for me and my family, and we are relatively young, but when i see soooo many passengers in wheelchairs, it must be such an ordeal for them,

worse now that the new terminal at jfk is terminal 4, which i heard is way worse then terminal 8

theboss7593 Feb 26, 20 4:13 pm


Originally Posted by michael1023 (Post 32110704)
just a quick question, sorry if i have asked this before, does anyone know why these jfk-gye flights are getting more and more into the middle of the night? it sucks for me and my family, and we are relatively young, but when i see soooo many passengers in wheelchairs, it must be such an ordeal for them,

worse now that the new terminal at jfk is terminal 4, which i heard is way worse then terminal 8

Well first things first the hour later is because of daylight savings time, as Ecuador does not observe it. But the flight leaving an extra hour later than that my guess has to do with slot bidding. My guess is they only have 1 gate at T4 and the Lima flight doesn't pull out until 11:25 so you figure the other plane needs roughly 2 hours to come in deboard recater fuel checks cargo being a big one as well etc. that's my guess as to why it's so late. The plane comes in around 11:40 from GYE so a 2 hour turn around puts it at that 1:50 time.

michael1023 Feb 27, 20 7:40 am


Originally Posted by theboss7593 (Post 32116452)
Well first things first the hour later is because of daylight savings time, as Ecuador does not observe it. But the flight leaving an extra hour later than that my guess has to do with slot bidding. My guess is they only have 1 gate at T4 and the Lima flight doesn't pull out until 11:25 so you figure the other plane needs roughly 2 hours to come in deboard recater fuel checks cargo being a big one as well etc. that's my guess as to why it's so late. The plane comes in around 11:40 from GYE so a 2 hour turn around puts it at that 1:50 time.

i guess, it just sucks is all lol

at least coming back from GYE its a decent hour, like 4pm...doesnt that departure change as well during the seasons?

theboss7593 Feb 27, 20 11:37 am


Originally Posted by michael1023 (Post 32118365)
i guess, it just sucks is all lol

at least coming back from GYE its a decent hour, like 4pm...doesnt that departure change as well during the seasons?

If it does it goes to 9AM (like one month out of the year think OCT) otherwise it stays at 4PM.

theboss7593 Nov 23, 20 3:35 pm

Just a heads up LATAM's website is showing Virgin Clubhouse Access is now allowed (once reopened) for LATAM customers. Unfortunately it still doesn't address the flights leaving after 10:30PM.... (in the Summer I suppose GYE is the only one on the outs but the Winter Schedule it usually pushes an hour back and would put both LIM and GYE as not having a lounge) The current schedule is a lot better than the 1:50AM departure to GYE they had scheduled....

July Departures:

6:35PM GRU
7:05PM SCL
11:25PM LIM
12:10AM GYE
https://www.latam.com/en_us/about-us...lounges-latam/


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