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My craps system (It works. I win using this)

Old Jun 15, 18, 3:05 pm
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Originally Posted by Tim Kelly View Post
Before come out roll, play the “no” with $400 on either 4 or 10. You’ll have to give temporary insurance ($20 for 400) but most places will give this back if you don’t complete the play.
Then, you place $25 on the hard 4 (or 10) to eliminate the 2,2 roll. You’ve staked $445 and win $200 if a 7 rolls. You’ll net $155 if you win. The ONLY way to lose is if a soft 4 (1&3) roll out.
I wasn't even aware "place bets to lose" were offered in B+M (non-Internet) casinos. In any case, at 5/11 payout, that's something around ~3% house advantage which is awful (to put it in perspective, just placing the 6 or 8 is ~1.5% and buying the 4 or 10 non-vig-upfront is 1+2/3%). Hedging it with a hard 4 or 10 at ~11% house edge is even worse.
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Old Jun 18, 18, 8:05 pm
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Originally Posted by gengar View Post
I wasn't even aware "place bets to lose" were offered in B+M (non-Internet) casinos. In any case, at 5/11 payout, that's something around ~3% house advantage which is awful (to put it in perspective, just placing the 6 or 8 is ~1.5% and buying the 4 or 10 non-vig-upfront is 1+2/3%). Hedging it with a hard 4 or 10 at ~11% house edge is even worse.
Don't pass, don't come, don't make a point, etc are all legit bets at the craps table. Study the board. Here's an example, notice the win/lose bars on the points on top, etc that show the payouts. You can even lay odds on those don't make a point bets if you want to and get true odds once a point is established. (I always think those people laying odds and playing the don't side are crazy, because they have to lay out more then they will get back, but the odds favor their original bet once a point is established because there's more ways to make a 7 than any point on each roll, so they have to lay odds if they want to play odds on the bet.)

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Old Jun 20, 18, 12:05 am
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Originally Posted by LIH Prem View Post
Don't pass, don't come, don't make a point, etc are all legit bets at the craps table. Study the board.
You didn't read my post correctly - I did not say that they are not "legit bets", only that IME they're not offered at B+M casinos.
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Old Jun 22, 18, 2:19 pm
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Originally Posted by mileage junkie View Post
100% true. And the odds of that happening are 135-1. And it hasn't happened since I started playing this way, several months ago.

However, if the time frame is unlimited, no matter how astronomical the odds of something happening, eventually it will.

135-1 is not quite astronomical
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Old Jun 23, 18, 12:20 am
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Originally Posted by Tim Kelly View Post
Before I write this, I acknowledge that the House always wins. This is just a neat ways to play Craps:

Before come out roll, play the “no” with $400 on either 4 or 10. You’ll have to give temporary insurance ($20 for 400) but most places will give this back if you don’t complete the play.
Then, you place $25 on the hard 4 (or 10) to eliminate the 2,2 roll. You’ve staked $445 and win $200 if a 7 rolls. You’ll net $155 if you win. The ONLY way to lose is if a soft 4 (1&3) roll out.

A 7 typically is rolled 1 out of 6 times. There are only 2/36 ways to roll a soft 4. This will net you bigger comps since you’re “betting over $400 a hand and it’s AWESOME at a cold table! If a point is established (say a 6), you can come off of the no-4, and hard-4 until someone 7outs (or you can leave it). Anyone employ this method?
I'm trying to make sense of this. By "no," I assume you mean Don't Pass. By "roll out," I assume you mean the Come Out Roll. Ok, so I put $400 (a huge bet for me by any stretch) on EITHER the 4 or 10, plus $25 on the "opposite" hard way. What is the bet on Don't Pass? Why do you say the ONLY way to lose is soft 4? I see a ton of numbers that aren't covered in your scenario. How would I win on a 7 on the Come Out...if I'm betting Don't Pass? What am I not getting here. Can someone please explain ?
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Old Jun 24, 18, 6:32 pm
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This actually gave me an interesting thought though. I often play with a friend. We're nickle bettors. What if we played together in a way that's not obvious and started out playing for quarters, but he plays Don't. There are something like 3.6 rolls in every turn, meaning that 1 roll in 130 will be a 66 (the barred number on Don't) on the comeout, so it will happen about once an hour. Other than that we'll always break even. So we start out playing quarters, then scale back to dimes, then he switches to the front line and we both go for nickels. The pit boss is most likely to note the $25 bets at the start, and we could potentially get comped for playing quarters. We'd obviously buy in for $500 instead of our usual $100.

Any thoughts?

Maybe we'll try it, although we won't be going to Vegas together until August.
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Old Jun 24, 18, 7:51 pm
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Originally Posted by gengar View Post
You didn't read my post correctly - I did not say that they are not "legit bets", only that IME they're not offered at B+M casinos.
I see. Well I haven't played craps in a while, but I'm pretty sure you can bet either side of any bet and lay odds when applicable. The house gets their edge either way the way the payouts are structured. You could when I played.

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Old Jun 25, 18, 1:09 am
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I've never seen someone lay odds against a number, unless playing don't pass or don't come. I don't even know what the odds would be. I know it's 7-6 for 6/8. 7-5 for 5/9, and 9-5 for 4/10 when you take the odds.

When I was a mere lad of, I don't know, 9 or 10, I read Scarne's Complete Guide To Gambling (more than once). Despite having an ego the size of Donald Trump's, Scarne knew his stuff. I remember writing a computer program to simulate things like the Martingale and Great Martingale system, to "prove" to myself that the odds would be the same as the straight-up odds on the game, and I wasn't surprised when it proved to be. (I must be off a little here one way or the other because I didn't start programming until I was about 14, but I think I read Scarne in grade school.)

My goal when I gamble is to lose less than the value of the watered-down free drinks. I'm not a big drinker so the value is largely theoretical for me anyway! Seriously, I do it for fun. I have a short attention span so I only usually play about an hour at a time, but if they raise the table minimum I might play a bit longer since I can play the lower limit until I leave the table but if I come back I won't be able to. I play video poker sometimes to kill time and have a place to sit down. I suffered a huge loss at video poker recently though. I put $20 in, played it up to $21.20, cashed out, but stuck the ticket in my wallet and didn't try to cash it until it 184 days later - and it expired after 180 days.

I had a friend (we're not really on speaking terms anymore) with a gambling problem. She's always broke but I've never seen her with money in her pocket and NOT shove it into a slot machine. She plays the ones with touchscreens and as soon as the wheels start spinning she touches them to stop them, I once clocked her for 85 or 86 spins in 3 minutes. Talk about being in a hurry to lose your money! She claims to believe that if she touches the reels she will win more, and also believes that certain machines are "ripe" to hit a bonus.

I know exactly how many miles I need to make Plat Pro on American and I'll manipulate my travel to make it. I have no idea what comps I've earned and I don't play for comps.

I once thought I'd like to become a dealer when I retired, but now I've pretty much decided that I don't want any job where I have to go back to school, or wear a uniform and punch a clock.
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Old Jun 25, 18, 10:21 pm
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Originally Posted by redtop43 View Post
This actually gave me an interesting thought though. I often play with a friend. We're nickle bettors. What if we played together in a way that's not obvious and started out playing for quarters, but he plays Don't. There are something like 3.6 rolls in every turn, meaning that 1 roll in 130 will be a 66 (the barred number on Don't) on the comeout, so it will happen about once an hour. Other than that we'll always break even. So we start out playing quarters, then scale back to dimes, then he switches to the front line and we both go for nickels. The pit boss is most likely to note the $25 bets at the start, and we could potentially get comped for playing quarters. We'd obviously buy in for $500 instead of our usual $100.

Any thoughts?

Maybe we'll try it, although we won't be going to Vegas together until August.

Statistically....12 (6 & 6) comes up on the dice once every 36 rolls, not once-in-130. Although, as I'm sure you know, statistics and probability can often vary greatly in the real world. I once rolled a 12...three consecutive times in a row. And (although unusual) it certainly wouldn't be unheard of to go 130 rolls without a 12 coming up. You won't be able to "fool" a pit boss when it comes to your comps. They have sharp eyes, and they know what they're doing. In addition, many casinos now have RFID transponders in their chips, so those casinos know EXACTLY how much you're betting. You'd be much better off being friendly and generous with your crap table's pit boss, as they have a LOT of discretion when it comes to putting in your average bet and length-of-play, which is what your comps will be based on. (I believe thought, that at the major casinos, you'll need to betting at least $25-per-roll to get rated for comps.) Casino dealers and pit bosses cannot accept cash tips directly, although you can obviously make bets "for" them, which they appreciate. As far as NON-cash tips for pit bosses, I would encourage you to read the excellent "Comp City: A Guide to Free Gambling Vacations" by Max Rubin. It's worth many times over the purchase price, and I'm sure you'll find it extremely helpful. You should also get a host wherever you play, and similarly, be friendly and generous with them as well. You'll reap significant dividends doing that. Max's book addresses this also.

Good luck.
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