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North korea
looking to visit Pyongyang for a weekend
flying air china see that restrictions against US citizens end this fall anyone know how long it takes to get a visa in beijing? any OK hotels to stay at? dont really wanna do a rip off tour |
I visited the DPRK last August with Koryo Tours and at the time US Citizens were limited to no more than 4 nights and only during the Mass Games. My understanding is that effective now, US Citizens can travel anytime to the DPRK but still must be accompanied by tour guides. I was very happy with Koryo Tours but am sure there are less expensive alternatives.
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Originally Posted by charlotteimmigration
(Post 13844372)
looking to visit Pyongyang for a weekend
flying air china see that restrictions against US citizens end this fall anyone know how long it takes to get a visa in beijing? any OK hotels to stay at? dont really wanna do a rip off tour |
Jiejie is correct, you will have to pay for a rip off tour. North Korea is not a country you can just visit, especially if you are a US citizen. Since you are a US citizen, I would not try to get in via the back door as it will surely get you arrested or worse.
Having said that, some of my non-US citizen friends have visited and I hear Pyongyang is quite an unique destination. But please consider that you will be essentially enabling a despotic regime by giving the bankrupt (both morally and financially) government valuable hard currency. I do not want that on my conscience, but of course you are free to do as you wish. |
was thinking of combining the trip with a trip to Burma....[not]
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Originally Posted by charlotteimmigration
(Post 13851218)
was thinking of combining the trip with a trip to Burma....[not]
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Originally Posted by meiguoren
(Post 13848535)
I visited the DPRK last August with Koryo Tours and at the time US Citizens were limited to no more than 4 nights and only during the Mass Games. My understanding is that effective now, US Citizens can travel anytime to the DPRK but still must be accompanied by tour guides. I was very happy with Koryo Tours but am sure there are less expensive alternatives.
So how much is a rip off tour? |
The tours are roughly 2,500 Euro for a week, all inclusive. You stay at the fanciest hotels, eat their best food (comparatively speaking), and get to see all the museums, landmarks, DMZ, and so on.
I have been researching this for quite some time, and hope to go next summer. It should be a once in a lifetime experience! http://www.koryogroup.com/ http://www.korea-dpr.com/travel.htm |
My "rip-off" tour was around 120 Euro/ night "full board" (incl. 3 meals), all trips, and two guides and a driver. Plus airfare (which was really a rip off on Air Koryo...) I assume that there will be a surcharge for US citizens. Did the tour in 2006, so prices may vary.
Wouldn't really consider this a rip off. Booked thru http://www.nordkorea-info.de/index.htm which is a German site, but there is a english description of the available tours here http://www.nordkorea-info.de/tourism..._rundreise.htm . You won't have the choice of hotel or anything else. They put you where they want you to stay. The guides are, however, very helpful and try their best to please and show you what you'd like to see. You could drop this guy an email, he's a German organizing tours of DPRK and very helpful. He might be able to help you as well (email address on the english tour descirption site, all on the bottom). |
Originally Posted by CkCrunch
(Post 13850232)
But please consider that you will be essentially enabling a despotic regime by giving the bankrupt (both morally and financially) government valuable hard currency.
On the other hand, the opportunity to see a little bit behind the curtain is somewhat unique. There's so little reporting that comes out of North Korea that one naturally ignores what is or isn't going on there. A counter to this general malaise would be to go there in person, even if it is a government-supported propaganda tour. If handled adroitly, one is always able to glean a few facts from "the locals". |
Originally Posted by RCyyz
(Post 13943802)
That's a fair point and as world citizens we all share a moral obligation.
On the other hand, the opportunity to see a little bit behind the curtain is somewhat unique. There's so little reporting that comes out of North Korea that one naturally ignores what is or isn't going on there. A counter to this general malaise would be to go there in person, even if it is a government-supported propaganda tour. If handled adroitly, one is always able to glean a few facts from "the locals". I do think it would be a wonderful destination as I have heard from friends who have visited that it is almost like going back in time - with the whole country remains as if it is back in the 50s and 60s. Actually one very good travelogue I remember reading about visiting North Korea is from Slate: http://www.slate.com/id/2224658 |
Nobody worries that they could become like the hikers who were snagged by Iranians and played like pawns in the diplomatic game? They got a former US president to make pilgrimage to Pyongyang to free some innocent journalists. Kim Jong-il and Ahmedinajad are enough reason for me to avoid these exotic vacation spots.
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Originally Posted by LuvAirFrance
(Post 13949109)
Nobody worries that they could become like the hikers who were snagged by Iranians and played like pawns in the diplomatic game? They got a former US president to make pilgrimage to Pyongyang to free some innocent journalists.
So, no, I really don't see North Korea kidnapping tourists who come in on state-organized package tours. |
Originally Posted by jpatokal
(Post 13949265)
So, no, I really don't see North Korea kidnapping tourists who come in on state-organized package tours.
I can recommend the tour with Koryo Tours - certainly not a "rip-off" and Nick / Simon who will probably accompany you are great guys. |
Originally Posted by jpatokal
(Post 13949265)
So, no, I really don't see North Korea kidnapping tourists who come in on state-organized package tours.
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