Snow in Amsterdam?

Old Mar 5, 05, 2:38 pm
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Snow in Amsterdam?



Something strange happened to me (and others) this morning. My 7:05 flight FRA-AMS was cancelled, due to the weather conditions in both airports (light snow in FRA, although everytrhing was moving, and supposedly heavy snow fall in AMS according to the AF agents handling the flight). No big deal as far as I'm concerned, as I was re-routed to ATH on a direct LH flight that left quasi on time (20 min. late for de-icing) and I even arrived in ATH early enough to catch an even earlier flight connecting to my final destination, gaining a total of more than three hours.

Well, earlier tonight I looked up the day's weather conditions at Schiphol just to see how bad it really was, and to my amazement, the US National Weather Service lists the conditions as "light snow grains" only at 9 and 10 am, at the time when the flight had already been cancelled. Before that "mist" was the precipitation form.

So KLM cancelled an almost completely full flight just for "mist"? Difficult to believe, as the cost of rerouting tens of passengers to destinations all over the worldmust be really big? Or is the US National Weather Service unreliable? Or, finally, is Schiphol airport brought to the end of its capacity when the weather is "different"?

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Old Mar 5, 05, 3:29 pm
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not sure what the weather was like at AMS today but it might be the knock-on effect of snow earlier in the week. About 30% of flights at AMS were cancelled or delayed yesterday, so aircrafts and possibly crews will end up in the wrong place and will need to be repositioned.
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Old Mar 5, 05, 3:47 pm
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There was lots of snow (20 cm) on Wednesday, and some fresh snow (5 cm) Friday evening. In addition, there was fog on Friday and Saturday mornings. I noticed that this morning also LH cancelled two FRA - AMS flights, and almost all flights from the UK (all airlines) were cancelled as well.
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Old Mar 6, 05, 12:03 pm
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It was fog rather than snow that was the problem yesterday. Both morning flights from NWI were cancelled. Fortunately we were booked on the afternoon flight which was the one that did make it (we left NWI about an hour behind schedule). It was still slightly misty when we got there but then turned into a sunny afternoon.

Don't know what happened to the people whose flights got cancelled... there was a long queue at the KLM ticket desk when we got there at 1245. I suspect some will have been put on our flight, I feel sorry for those that didn't!
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Old Mar 6, 05, 2:33 pm
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Hummm .... did they just not advertise on the " award winning " website how well they performed despite very bad weather conditions ?? yes well done .....
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Old Mar 6, 05, 4:15 pm
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Originally Posted by psollitt
Hummm .... did they just not advertise on the " award winning " website how well they performed despite very bad weather conditions ?? yes well done .....
When weather conditions are below minima then aircraft can't land. Nothing KLM (or any other airline) can do about it. Different aircraft types have different weather minima, and F50s will get weathered out when better-equipped aircraft can still fly. And when you have three F50 loads at NWI but only one aircraft to take them to AMS there isn't a lot you can do. Sometimes it may be possible to put on an extra flight if you have an aircraft in the right place and a crew that isn't out of hours, at other times the only option you have is to rebook your passengers with other carriers or from other airports.

NWI will always be worse affected than many other airports because there are so few alternatives - no other carriers flying anywhere near AMS, and no other airports within easy reach. In the past KLM would sometimes bus passengers to STN or CBG, but neither option is now available as KLM no longer flies from STN (and you can't rebook people on LCCs because there are no ticketing/interlining arrangements) and Suckling/Scot Airways' CBG-AMS route (for which there WAS an interlining agreement) has been discontinued.
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Old Mar 6, 05, 10:21 pm
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My AMS-LAX flight on Saturday, Mar 5, was cancelled the day before. I wasn't given a reason, but I was re-booked on an Air France flight automatically. I later changed that to a Continental flight that was at a better time. A bit of a pain, but relatively painless.
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Originally Posted by mtimmer
My AMS-LAX flight on Saturday, Mar 5, was cancelled the day before. I wasn't given a reason, but I was re-booked on an Air France flight automatically. I later changed that to a Continental flight that was at a better time. A bit of a pain, but relatively painless.
AMS (and the Netherlands in general!) was in travel chaos at the end of last week. We had over half a meter of snow in some parts, -20C in other parts and day long blizzards and freezing fog.

I was also due to fly out on Friday but ended up cooling my heels in the Dorint and being bumped to Saturday.

To be fair the gate agents, tranfer desk staff and arrivals desk staff were doing a sterling job. Some PAX had been trying to get out since Wednesday(!) and tempers were getting a little frayed.

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Old Mar 8, 05, 4:53 am
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On sat I was due to do a CPH AMS to CGN , the flight was cancelled due to the weather fun in AMS and I have to say the KL agent did a great job re-routing , SAS direct flight ! got us there 30 before the KL would have to CGN , now the fun to retoclaim the KL miles due to the involentary reroute !
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Old Mar 10, 05, 6:25 am
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Originally Posted by psollitt
On sat I was due to do a CPH AMS to CGN , the flight was cancelled due to the weather fun in AMS and I have to say the KL agent did a great job re-routing , SAS direct flight ! got us there 30 before the KL would have to CGN , now the fun to retoclaim the KL miles due to the involentary reroute !
Same here! I was booked a week ago (Thurs 3 March) to fly MAN-AMS-ORD. I got to MAN at 4.30am for the 6am flight, to find it cancelled (no plane). After a long wait, was checked in on the 8.30am to AMS instead, so got my boarding passes for both AMS and ORD, and spent an hour in the AF lounge before hearing that the 8.30am was cancelled and we'd have to be escorted landiside to rebook. We came out to find a long line of others having to do the same... and it took nearly 4 hours to reach the desk ie around 1pm. No fault of KLM because of the snow closing Schipol, but the agents at MAN only had one person dealing with rebookings for at least the first hour I was in line, and it was taking ages per person/group. Happily (and much to my surprise) I got rerouted onto a BA flight to LHR that afternoon and then AA to ORD, getting in 7 hours later than planned. To be honest I didn't expect to even get to ORD that day.

On my way back through AMS early Mon morning I called the FD Helpdesk. I was told that because I'd been checked in I should see the MAN-AMS-ORD points on my account "sometime soon"... But so far they've not appeared. Would be interested to hear if anyone else gets points for booked KL flights where they got rerouted to another carrier due to the snow.

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Old Mar 10, 05, 8:15 pm
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Originally Posted by kgisborne
Would be interested to hear if anyone else gets points for booked KL flights where they got rerouted to another carrier due to the snow.

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I got a mail from FD today to say that the miles will be in my account within 3 working days , so we will see !
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Old Mar 17, 05, 2:21 am
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I got a mail from FD today to say that the miles will be in my account within 3 working days , so we will see !
So... did those miles get credited to you yet? I haven't had mine though haven't yet chased them up.

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Old Mar 17, 05, 3:19 am
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yes got them the other day ! yay !
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