Unforeseen expense reimbursement
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Unforeseen expense reimbursement
Our flight around Thanksgiving (four months in the future) was cancelled and we were rebooked on the exact same flight, 24 hours later. This will require an additional night's lodging as well as meals. Does anyone have experience being reimbursed for this, as the expense is unforeseen from our original plans. If so, any idea of what they would consider reasonable? For three people, our AirBNB in Rome would be another $700 for another night.
From the KLM website:
From the KLM website:
"Unforeseen expenses
If you had unforeseen expenses because of a delay or cancellation, such as extra costs for a lunch or a phone call, you can request a reimbursement."
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It's almost inconceivable that, if you asked, the 3 of you could not be rebooked such that you depart and arrive on the originally-planned dates of travel.
I would advise you to call whoever you booked the ticket with (the travel agent you used, or the airline with whom you booked the ticket) to discuss alternative rerouting options.
If you booked directly with an airline, you may even be able to change the flights yourself using the "Manage my Booking" facility on their website.
I would advise you to call whoever you booked the ticket with (the travel agent you used, or the airline with whom you booked the ticket) to discuss alternative rerouting options.
If you booked directly with an airline, you may even be able to change the flights yourself using the "Manage my Booking" facility on their website.
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It's almost inconceivable that, if you asked, the 3 of you could not be rebooked such that you depart and arrive on the originally-planned dates of travel.
I would advise you to call whoever you booked the ticket with (the travel agent you used, or the airline with whom you booked the ticket) to discuss alternative rerouting options.
If you booked directly with an airline, you may even be able to change the flights yourself using the "Manage my Booking" facility on their website.
I would advise you to call whoever you booked the ticket with (the travel agent you used, or the airline with whom you booked the ticket) to discuss alternative rerouting options.
If you booked directly with an airline, you may even be able to change the flights yourself using the "Manage my Booking" facility on their website.
(5) booked through FlyingBlue biz class on points
(2) booked through VirginAtlantic Flying Club, economy on points
(1) booked directly through KLM with cash
For the 5 biz class pax, I did call and rebook for the original dates on AirFrance. For the other three pax, who booked their flights as "Multi-city" for some reason the AirFrance return flight we have booked isn't an option for them. Yet when searching one ways, on Virgin Atlantic, it is an option. Virgin Atlantic cannot make the change without canceling and rebooking, which I am leary to do, lest it be some phantom award space I can see or something. If I go that route of canceling, I'll lose the rebooking protections I had, so that's why I'm leary. And I don't want to transfer more points into Virgin Atlantic to rebook and then cancel, as I don't want points orphaned there. Perhaps I wll attempt to call and confirm that they see availability as a one way, and then I'll feel more comfortable canceling and rebooking. As you all know, this all takes hours and hours to sort these days.
It seems odd to me that two different programs cannot find this flight's availability. When self-servicing the cash flight booked through KLM, this flight is not a return option.
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Good idea. I have messaged on twitter for specific confirmation. I'll report back, in the hopes it will be helpful for others, on the response.
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If it might be helpful to others, here is KLM's twitter response regarding compensation, which does not commit to any specific compensation, only that it will be considered.
My message: "Specifically in reference to our return KLM flight on November 29, which has been cancelled and rebooked for 24 hours later, requiring an additional overnight stay and meal expenses. Please provide clarification that your Unforeseen Expenses policy will cover an extended night in our AirBNB in Rome, which is approximately $700USD, plus meal expenses?"
KLM's twitter response: "I can understand that this was not how you expected your journey to go. Please note that submitting a request does not guarantee that you will be granted compensation. Rest assured that your request will be reviewed individually and carefully."
My message: "Specifically in reference to our return KLM flight on November 29, which has been cancelled and rebooked for 24 hours later, requiring an additional overnight stay and meal expenses. Please provide clarification that your Unforeseen Expenses policy will cover an extended night in our AirBNB in Rome, which is approximately $700USD, plus meal expenses?"
KLM's twitter response: "I can understand that this was not how you expected your journey to go. Please note that submitting a request does not guarantee that you will be granted compensation. Rest assured that your request will be reviewed individually and carefully."
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I'm not clear why you are pursuing this. Is the idea that the 3 who can't travel will lead to a "free" night to be enjoyed by all 8 people? And that the other 5 will rebook their flights to a day later, to match the tickets flown by the 3? (If so, you will face an uphill struggle getting reimbursed for a party of eight when KLM only needs to pay a reasonable amount for a party of 3)
Or are you willing for the group to split up.and travel separately? (If so, I don't see why the 3 need to spend the extra night at all)
Or are you willing for the group to split up.and travel separately? (If so, I don't see why the 3 need to spend the extra night at all)
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If KL accept to pay for this I would be very pleasantly surprised, but unless Im mistaken under law they have no obligation to whatsoever.
Your flight got modified with more than 2 weeks notice which means you are entitled to a full refund, or to a further change at your convenience (for example depart one day later too, if seats available), both of these free of charge to you. But there's no requirement to provide extra compensation for hotel nights at this early stage.
Your flight got modified with more than 2 weeks notice which means you are entitled to a full refund, or to a further change at your convenience (for example depart one day later too, if seats available), both of these free of charge to you. But there's no requirement to provide extra compensation for hotel nights at this early stage.
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Your flight got modified with more than 2 weeks notice which means you are entitled to a full refund, or to a further change at your convenience (for example depart one day later too, if seats available), both of these free of charge to you. But there's no requirement to provide extra compensation for hotel nights at this early stage.
Now whether airline has to pay for passengers chosen accommodation, that is another question entirely.
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Indeed Fabo.sk you are correct.
Upon double checking whilst the compensation does not apply under EC/261 if cancelled more than 2 weeks prior, the duty of care does still apply, so I guess OP can look forward to a free hotel stay. Whether they will deem the amount requested "reasonable" is an entirely different story, given that you have ample time to make an airport hotel booking which won't cost an arm and a leg.
Upon double checking whilst the compensation does not apply under EC/261 if cancelled more than 2 weeks prior, the duty of care does still apply, so I guess OP can look forward to a free hotel stay. Whether they will deem the amount requested "reasonable" is an entirely different story, given that you have ample time to make an airport hotel booking which won't cost an arm and a leg.