Originally Posted by JeffersonCampervan (Post 34308706)

I travel with carry on only and online checkin, so I don't get near baggage checkin - are they likely to force gate check of my carryon?

Originally Posted by BigFlyer (Post 34308524)

Got to Schiphol about 11 AM for our 14:50 UA flight to SFO. I actually thought today would not bad as it is mid ( not end of) holiday weekend, but the Schiphol website said today was peak, and I have an important meeting on Monday AM in San Francisco, so didn't want to risk missing the flight.

No boarding pass check entering Departures 3.

I had purchased Premier Access from UA, which for $24 was supposed to give priority seating and boarding.

Went to the escalators at back of Departures 3, and saw that the priority and non-priority gates feed to the same escalator. At the top of the escalators, took a sligh right to get to the priority line. Someone took a quick look at our boarding passes and let us through, it seemed that that person didn't look very closely at the BP.

There was one person at the inspection machines handling priority.

Took us about 15 minutes from escalators to get through passport control.

The non-priority line snaked a bunch of times starting at the hard right turn, based on a trip we took through there a month ago would estimate it at about an hour without priority.

Went to Aspire Lounge. Told it was too crowded and we were too early. I asked when he suggested we come back - the attendant said 2PM. The impossibility of coming to the lounge at 2 PM for a 2:50 PM departure was lost on him.

Originally Posted by JeffersonCampervan (Post 34308706)

I travel with carry on only and online checkin, so I don't get near baggage checkin - are they likely to force gate check of my carryon?

Originally Posted by johan rebel (Post 34308726)

And here's another solution: instead of checking every single pax and every single bag, exempt 25% or so, randomly selected. I know, I know, laws, rules, regulations, nanny state risk aversion, general hysteria, etc. etc. But from a safety perspective I can't see it making much of a difference. Who's going to get in line for security with a bomb in his backpack if the chance of getting caught is 75%?

Johan

Originally Posted by mpkz (Post 34308612)

Yeah you can bet your ... that I am hand-baggage only for the next few weeks...

Originally Posted by johan rebel (Post 34308726)

Not likely, as the whole point of getting people to check their carryons is to speed things up at security. That will be done and over with by the time you board.

Here's one way they could do something about those horrendous queues: send fewer bags to secondary. Schiphol's goal is officially <10%, but as long as they man the scanners with inexperienced, incompetent and insecure staff whose only goal is to cover their behinds and who therefore send every single bag to secondary about which they have the slightest doubts, that's not going to happen. They are lucky if <10% doesn't go to secondary.

And here's another solution: instead of checking every single pax and every single bag, exempt 25% or so, randomly selected. I know, I know, laws, rules, regulations, nanny state risk aversion, general hysteria, etc. etc. But from a safety perspective I can't see it making much of a difference. Who's going to get in line for security with a bomb in his backpack if the chance of getting caught is 75%?

Johan

Originally Posted by BobTL (Post 34308742)

i like you are trying to come with solutions but you are basically trying to say that safety has to be compromised.

Originally Posted by Fabo.sk (Post 34308770)

I have my doubts that safety would be compromised if the searches were truly random. Not that a 9/11 scenario is possible any more anyway. It ceased to be viable even as it happened, as UA93 demonstrated. Sending a bag to secondary because you aren't sure what to do about a camera lens or a deo stick does not improve the odds.

Originally Posted by BobTL (Post 34308791)

I agree but there are clear IATA security guidelines and then it’s a matter of lack of training and as Johan says, insecurity. These guidelines can not be compromised.

What KLM and other airlines/ Schiphol could do is making PR material how to pack hand luggage once more and what is pivotal to avoid a secondary check. Many inexperienced travellers (charter pax) make mistakes that can be avoided. So for example do signing in the queues to check if there are any fluids or other prohibited items so part of it can be avoided on beforehand. Even doing a SoMe campaign and reach out to all pax in a DM/email/app to make sure they are well prepared. The good thing is that many charter pax are willing to do it right but because of lack of knowledge aren’t always packing correctly.

Originally Posted by Fabo.sk (Post 34308814)

On my last flight, both of my bags went to secondary. Camera bag because they didn't like lenses in it, and carryon because they didn't like a deo stick.

Please advise how to pack better. Other than taking the deo stick a showing it in the camera bag next to my lenses.

Originally Posted by Escape (Post 34308644)

same here, but have a long-haul coming up and will need to check a bag or two, and don’t want to be told at the check-in desk that I need to check-in my carry-on bags as well. Wondering how strict klm will be with this.