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johan rebel Jun 1, 22 3:28 am


Originally Posted by BobTL (Post 34296963)
That was an extensive way to say “ you are right” 😁

Not only that, you have the Dutch government on your side too. They wasted €200,000 of taxpayer money trying to rebrand the country and stop people from saying Holland. Now if they had paid the entire sum to me, I might just have complied. But probably not for long.

All we need now is for somebody to write new PC lyrics for Hup Holland Hup!


Johan

mfkne Jun 1, 22 3:30 am

RTL Nieuws is reporting that this coming weekend is expected to result in a "critical situation": https://www.rtlnieuws.nl/economie/be...uni-zomer-niet

Xandrios Jun 1, 22 3:44 am


Originally Posted by malmostoso (Post 34295672)
Apparently Schiphol and the unions have found an agreement to move forward, however travelers should still expect long lines and delays over the summer.

In anticipation for possible strikes today, and since KLM is offering a no-fare-difference change policy I moved today's flight to later this week. Seems that was not needed then. Guess thats good news nonetheless.


Originally Posted by HadesNL (Post 34297377)
For those planning flights from Amsterdam airport this summer.
Rijksoverheid shows the dates for annual school holidays:
https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwe...ties-2021-2022

You can get an impression which weekends ( the actual start of the school sumner holidays) (per region) will become busy at Schiphol airport. Besides departures, don't forget about the expected increase at arrivals. So be warned!
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...1a09dac30.jpeg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...2a13b9be5.jpeg

Awesome :( I'm departing the 15th very early morning. If long lines are nowadays already there at 3AM I may consider just going airside at midnight, overnight somewhere airside instead. May be more comfortable than getting up at 2AM, taking a taxi to the airport, and stand in line for 3 hours in the middle of the night..

johan rebel Jun 1, 22 3:46 am


Originally Posted by ignorantcow (Post 34297396)
the opinion of the rest of the country.

What makes you think the rest of the country (or the rest of the world, for that matter) even has an opinion. I bet that the vast majority of Hollanders couldn't care less.


Originally Posted by ignorantcow (Post 34297396)
It doesn't change the fact that using "Holland" to refer to the country is antiquated and incorrect. The official name is the Netherlands.

Being both antiquated and congenitally incorrect, I'll leave that to the officious, pedantic and bumptious. With pleasure!

OK, end of spat, back on topic.


Originally Posted by mfkne (Post 34297403)
RTL Nieuws is reporting that this coming weekend is expected to result in a "critical situation": https://www.rtlnieuws.nl/economie/be...uni-zomer-niet

One thing I have in my favor here is that I rarely fly on weekends, and to my great relief I have no AMS weekend flights planned at all this year, barring contingencies.

Johan

mfkne Jun 1, 22 4:13 am

I for one will be travelling this Sunday morning at 10, planning to be there 7:30-ish. I'll report on the scenes.

supersympa Jun 1, 22 4:57 am


Originally Posted by johan rebel (Post 34288432)
The other day my colleague who does book the flights said that prices for June and July have almost doubled again. Talking about shorthaul return flights to AMS here.
Johan

I can confirm!
I am flying via AMS quite often, but now for the next 3 months, I cannot find a "normal" price Biz or Eco.
really feels they do not want you to fly there

johan rebel Jun 1, 22 5:41 am

Relax everybody, take a deep breath, here's some really good news for all those who face the prospect of horrendous airport queues: the Knight in Shining IATA Armor is riding to our rescue!

The organization is boldly calling for "holistic reforms"! As everybody knows, anything remotely holistic will solve any and every problem by magic. Just like that!

The more practical suggestions include gems such as "Adoption of 25by25 campaign to help address the gender imbalance across the industry". A perfunctory sop to the woke ESG crowd for sure, but I don't quite see how that's going to shorten the lines at AMS this coming weekend.

Fortunately, they have also come up with some really original and innovative ideas that might actually make a difference, e.g. "
Adoption of new technologies and automated processes". Thank God for IATA's shiny knight, I could never have thought of that one myself. And surely Benschop couldn't either.

Johan

JeffersonCampervan Jun 1, 22 5:52 am

This is well timed:

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...a499611e63.jpg

hugolover Jun 1, 22 6:54 am

Any news on how the slot reductions might manifest for other airlines?

BobTL Jun 1, 22 7:27 am


Originally Posted by johan rebel (Post 34297400)
Not only that, you have the Dutch government on your side too. They wasted Ä200,000 of taxpayer money trying to rebrand the country and stop people from saying Holland. Now if they had paid the entire sum to me, I might just have complied. But probably not for long.

All we need now is for somebody to write new PC lyrics for Hup Holland Hup!

Hup Holland Hup

Johan

Change is difficult, I know😁
North-South Holland is just a relatively small part of The Netherlands and doesnít do justice to the rest of the remaining 10 provinces so itís not more than logical that the country is called The Netherlands.
You also donít call the United Kingdom, England, do you 😊? This is more or less the same situation.

InsomniaBA Jun 1, 22 8:08 am


Originally Posted by AurelAF96 (Post 34294192)
Sweet! At what time do you think you'll arrived at the airport?

Not sure myself, I'm working in Amsterdam-Zuid tomorrow morning.
Probably 2-3 hour in advance depending on workmeetings, but hand baggage only as I managed to grab mobile boarding passes.

irishguy28 Jun 1, 22 8:22 am


Originally Posted by hugolover (Post 34297720)
Any news on how the slot reductions might manifest for other airlines?

It manifests in them taking a voluntary decision to cancel flights for which they had already sold tickets.

With the seemingly daily news of BA and easyjet cancelling upwards of 100 flights, it seems likely that there will be many such "manifestations" for airlines operating from Schiphol, too!!!

irishguy28 Jun 1, 22 8:25 am


Originally Posted by BobTL (Post 34297786)
You also donít call the United Kingdom, England, do you 😊? This is more or less the same situation.

Johan might not; but the Dutch do in fact use "Engeland" as fully interchangeable for "Verenigd Koninkrijk".

https://onzetaal.nl/taaladvies/engel...igd-koninkrijk

Fabo.sk Jun 1, 22 8:42 am


Originally Posted by ignorantcow (Post 34297396)
Spoken like a true "hollander" with arrogance and absolutely no regard for nuance nor the opinion of the rest of the country. Which is fine, it is your prerogative.

It doesn't change the fact that using "Holland" to refer to the country is antiquated and incorrect. The official name is the Netherlands.


Originally Posted by BobTL (Post 34297786)
Change is difficult, I know😁
North-South Holland is just a relatively small part of The Netherlands and doesnít do justice to the rest of the remaining 10 provinces so itís not more than logical that the country is called The Netherlands.
You also donít call the United Kingdom, England, do you 😊? This is more or less the same situation.

True as that may be... how does that mean that the job market in Holland is not tight, and how does that not impact the major airport that happens to be located smack dab in the middle of Holland?

OK, maybe Randstad would be more all-encompassing as I am sure many airport workers commute from Provincie Utrecht and no doubt a sizeable number also from the southwestern end of Flevoland, but the fact remains, Schiphol is in Holland. And the situation it finds itself in is only very tangentially related to job market in Maastricht, which, while undoubtedly being in The Netherlands, is very far from Holland indeed.

Fabo.sk Jun 1, 22 8:51 am


Originally Posted by South London Bon Viveur (Post 34294360)
And the queues are only a problem in North Holland's airport. South Holland's airport does better (though admittedly with a lighter load) :)

I've recently been made aware by Privium that they offer also lounge access in Zuid-Hollands premier airport. Unfortunately, unlike Noord-Brabantse, no priority security is included. Does that even work in RTM, does anyone know? What are the waiting times these days?

I have no idea. The one and only time I managed to use the airport was years ago, lately they just don't offer any useful destination for me, except perhaps LCY but that that's on BA, so of limited usefulness compared to LCY KL flights from AMS.


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