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HB-IWC Oct 9, 22 8:22 pm


Originally Posted by johan rebel (Post 34667276)
As Schiphol and KLM crash and burn, the airline' CEO has declared that sustainability and diversity are her top priorities.

What was Nero doing again while Rome burned?

Johan

After catapulting from the CEO Suite of NS into that of KLM, Marjan Rintel clearly aspires to even higher callings. She certainly ticks all the right boxes. The woke brigade should be very happy.

4GSM Oct 10, 22 1:34 am


Originally Posted by AnaTFN (Post 34667660)
Some long haul flights too, like SFO-AMS KL606 and AMS-JFK KL641 on Oct 5, AMS-LAX KL603 on Oct 6, and others.

Some cancellations appear to make no sense, for example:

07OCT KL645 AMS-JFK canceled, but on the same day/time the aircraft (PH-BQN) flew to the US as KL9868 and returned as KL646 as scheduled.

I know AF cancels a flight and reschedules it as a 4-digit flight number, but that's usually because the original flight is delayed beyond midnight local time and would result in two flights on the same day with the same flight number. This is clearly not the case here.

CSP18 Oct 10, 22 1:54 pm

Hello, I have followed this forum for quite some time and found the information really useful. I am travelling out of Schiphol this Sunday afternoon on BA. It is not my first time flying out of AMS this year, but I am slightly worried because of the start of the Dutch holidays and because I have, for once, no access to priority security. I will probably be at the airport early. Do I see it correctly that the 4-hour-time-limit is only checked when entering the airport? That is, if I manage to enter the check-in area without being controlled, the BP scanners won't deny me acess to security, right? Do you have a sense whether there is one departure hall that usually has shorter security lines than the others? My intuition would be to avoid departure hall 2 because most passengers will probably fly with KLM or ST, but I might be wrong. Many thanks if you have any advice!

westi2002 Oct 10, 22 3:20 pm


Originally Posted by 4GSM (Post 34668617)
Some cancellations appear to make no sense, for example:

07OCT KL645 AMS-JFK canceled, but on the same day/time the aircraft (PH-BQN) flew to the US as KL9868 and returned as KL646 as scheduled.

I know AF cancels a flight and reschedules it as a 4-digit flight number, but that's usually because the original flight is delayed beyond midnight local time and would result in two flights on the same day with the same flight number. This is clearly not the case here.

A few weeks ago KL cancelled outgoing flights, but incoming flights were still operating. Therefore empty planes left AMS to collect the passengers. Maybe this was also the case with this flight?

HB-IWC Oct 10, 22 5:26 pm

CNN has collected and eclectic mix of assorted Schiphol horror stories:

https://edition.cnn.com/travel/artic...aos/index.html

including a telling twitter impression:


with the appropriately chosen #eftelingiserniksbij.

AnaTFN Oct 11, 22 1:37 am

That CNN article quotes:

In different presentations across two days, Benschop openly acknowledged Schiphol's "severe operational issues driven by staff shortages." He said management is committed to fixing the problems by providing a "reliable and predictable" passenger experience, improving job conditions and worker pay and working with airlines to build back capacity.
And I think they have succeeded at making it reliably predictable for passengers :D not good... but predictable.

Sjoerd Oct 11, 22 3:31 am


Originally Posted by AnaTFN (Post 34671317)
And I think they have succeeded at making it reliably predictable for passengers :D not good... but predictable.

Not true. Itís the unpredictability thatís the problem. Oftentimes security screening is quiet and people are through quickly. And a few hours or a day later there is a 3-hour queue again.

GUWonder Oct 11, 22 3:51 am


Originally Posted by Sjoerd (Post 34671465)
Not true. Itís the unpredictability thatís the problem. Oftentimes security screening is quiet and people are through quickly. And a few hours or a day later there is a 3-hour queue again.

Itís the the passengersí perceived/experienced ďunpredictabilityĒwith AMS security screening times that is predictably part of the problem at AMS. :eek:

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark Kingdom of the Netherlands when it comes to making things predictably easy for the masses of airline passengers required to clear passenger security screening at AMS to get airside.

Didymis Oct 11, 22 4:39 am

October 11 - 12:35 PM
Only one lane open at Departures 2 Prio (right side). About 25 people in line, moving swiftly. If I had taken the Privium option opposite Check-in 3 I would have been through in less than 10 min. There is (almost) no wait for Departures 1.

johan rebel Oct 11, 22 8:09 am

Four colleagues had their KL flight to AMS canceled this morning at very short notice (around 6 a.m. for a midmorning flight). The most resourceful of them caught a train to another airport and will arrive with a delay of over four hours. The others have been rebooked for Thursday.

Johan

Antonio8069 Oct 11, 22 8:19 am

alt airport ?
 
What was the alternate airport they took a train to ? CPH ?

GUWonder Oct 11, 22 10:29 am


Originally Posted by Antonio8069 (Post 34672032)
What was the alternate airport they took a train to ? CPH ?

BLL-AMS had a cancellation this morning. CPH-AMS flights today had no cancellations on the local board so far.

From Vejle there is a train to CPH. But some get on at Kolding and juggle trains in the morning to get to CPH.

johan rebel Oct 11, 22 11:44 am


Originally Posted by Antonio8069 (Post 34672032)
What was the alternate airport they took a train to ? CPH ?

Only one of them did. Some people take the bull by the horns, find solutions and implement them immediately. Others prefer to sit back, relax, and hope for a miracle. And yes, CPH.

Johan

Smaug Oct 11, 22 11:55 am


Originally Posted by johan rebel (Post 34672006)
Four colleagues had their KL flight to AMS canceled this morning at very short notice (around 6 a.m. for a midmorning flight). The most resourceful of them caught a train to another airport and will arrive with a delay of over four hours.

That is a fear of mine. I have a FCO-AMS flight next week so I have to closely watch this situation. I'm trying to figure out alternatives for getting to AMS in case it is canceled since I have to catch a long-haul flight out of AMS to the US the next morning. So if necessary, I'm looking at DUS, BRU, or even CDG to catch a train to AMS.

johan rebel Oct 11, 22 12:42 pm


Originally Posted by Smaug (Post 34672635)
I'm trying to figure out alternatives for getting to AMS in case it is canceled since I have to catch a long-haul flight out of AMS to the US the next morning. So if necessary, I'm looking at DUS, BRU, or even CDG to catch a train to AMS.

There's a lot to be said for contingency planning.

Johan


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