Mess in AMS today - April 2022 onwards

Old Oct 4, 2022, 12:55 am
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Originally Posted by emiratesftw
Hi everyone, this Saturday will be my first time flying out of Schiphol since the chaos. I have SP but my partner does not, now this was never a problem before. However apparently, someone checks boarding passes for the SP banner after SP check in and before taking the stairs to the security. This might be a stupid idea, but could I not just add the red SP banner to my partner's boarding pass and get by the person checking BP's that way? The actual gate upstairs doesn't check for SP.
I guess (but can't confirm) this will work. I was in the same boat as you late last month, but instead of manipulating the boarding card I upgraded my SO to Economy Flex, which includes SP. I don't think that was necessary though, and looking back I would have done what you are now suggesting, because at the SP entrance staff only carry out a visual check (at least that is what I experienced myself). If they see the red SP logo, you're through. I will try it later this month when traveling to Riga with a travel partner without SP.

Let us know what you decide to do and if it worked out for you.
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Old Oct 4, 2022, 1:00 am
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Originally Posted by emiratesftw
Hi everyone, this Saturday will be my first time flying out of Schiphol since the chaos. I have SP but my partner does not, now this was never a problem before. However apparently, someone checks boarding passes for the SP banner after SP check in and before taking the stairs to the security. This might be a stupid idea, but could I not just add the red SP banner to my partner's boarding pass and get by the person checking BP's that way? The actual gate upstairs doesn't check for SP.
Another option would be to buy a 2nd, Eco-Flex (or Business) ticket for your partner, one that offers full refund. Have your partner use BP of that ticket to pass Security. Then cancel that ticket, and proceed to gate with 'real' BP.
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Old Oct 4, 2022, 1:28 am
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Update:

Sat upstairs in the Blue bar, not a lit of free space anywhere upstairs or down.
There was a massive queue the length of the terminal and back with people trying to get into the bagfage hall, never ween the like of that before.
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Old Oct 4, 2022, 4:04 am
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Originally Posted by emiratesftw
Hi everyone, this Saturday will be my first time flying out of Schiphol since the chaos. I have SP but my partner does not, now this was never a problem before. However apparently, someone checks boarding passes for the SP banner after SP check in and before taking the stairs to the security. This might be a stupid idea, but could I not just add the red SP banner to my partner's boarding pass and get by the person checking BP's that way? The actual gate upstairs doesn't check for SP.
You can buy up to Economy Flex (or Business) to get Skypriority.

Of course there are ways to photoshop your way into free priority access, but is that fair? Both to the other people waiting in the regular line, was well as the people that actually did purchase Skypriority. If you go down that path, why not photoshop some free NS tickets for the train ride to the airport, movie tickets for the night before, and so on..

I'd suggest just arranging Skypriority the proper way, or, wait in line like everybody else.
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Old Oct 4, 2022, 4:09 am
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I get what you're saying but I disagree slightly. I think it's rather odd that skyprio benefits don't extend to an entire booking.
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Old Oct 4, 2022, 5:25 am
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Getting through the magic gate might seem like a photoshop move away, but you also need to consider what happens if you get caught. Practically, traveling with not a valid document?
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Old Oct 4, 2022, 6:44 am
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No ground staff

No ground staff to load the luggage and cargo, all passengers on board a 787-9 bound for Mexico, but not going anywhere soon. Shambles.
This flight hasn't left on time for a good while.
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Old Oct 4, 2022, 6:46 am
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Originally Posted by emiratesftw
I get what you're saying but I disagree slightly. I think it's rather odd that skyprio benefits don't extend to an entire booking.
Your opinion is worth nothing though. We have had this discussion about how in the past sometimes your travelpartners on the same pnr were allowed to go through priority security with you. But this was never a perk or guarantee. If you disagree, show me where flying blue says a skyelite plus can take a person with no-status booked in the same pnr through priority security. Also, quite annoyed that a new member fo Flyertalk apparently became a member to suggest how to bypass the rules.. Does my waiting time at prio security have to be doubled because someone thinks they should take along somebody not entitled to this? Sorry OP, but i think this is a poor show
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Old Oct 4, 2022, 6:50 am
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No ground staff

No ground staff to load the luggage and cargo, all passengers on board a 787-9 bound for Mexico, but not going anywhere soon. Shambles.
This flight hasn't left on time for a good while.
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Old Oct 4, 2022, 7:49 am
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Originally Posted by tezzer
No ground staff to load the luggage and cargo, all passengers on board a 787-9 bound for Mexico, but not going anywhere soon. Shambles.
This flight hasn't left on time for a good while.
I'm more lucky - my E295 is being unloaded as we speak, we landed 30 minutes early.
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Old Oct 4, 2022, 8:21 am
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Originally Posted by tezzer
No ground staff to load the luggage and cargo, all passengers on board a 787-9 bound for Mexico, but not going anywhere soon. Shambles.
This flight hasn't left on time for a good while.
This has happened to me too in recent flights leaving from AMS. The pilot telling us we are all done with boarding and could take off on time but there are still 100+ suitcases waiting to be loaded because of staff shortages at AMS. Then needing to get a later slot.
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Old Oct 4, 2022, 8:55 am
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Originally Posted by AnaTFN
This has happened to me too in recent flights leaving from AMS. The pilot telling us we are all done with boarding and could take off on time but there are still 100+ suitcases waiting to be loaded because of staff shortages at AMS. Then needing to get a later slot.
Has this happened to you on NON-KLM flights?
I'm flying Air Canada in a couple of months YYZ-AMS return.
Air Canada uses a different baggage handling company (Swissport) and I'm wondering if these issues are less severe in that case.
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Old Oct 4, 2022, 8:56 am
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Alright, data point for today, 4pm local time:

- relatively quiet luggage reclaim areas.
- no policing to go from Schiphol plaza to departures 2
- empty sky priority check-in area (3 pax spread across 6 open desks)
- back entrance being policed, we skipped it for now and headed towards the landside Privium lounge instead. Will report back on security waiting times.



edit:
- back entry dragon couldn't care less. Did the old switcheroo with boarding pass to my travel companion who didn't have skyprio, worked like a charm.

5 pax in prio line in front of me at dep 2 security (people sent right after going up through back entry). Took 5 minutes since every single bag including mine went to secondary. After a quick glance on the monitor I was good to go.

passport control no queue at Privium, 2 stations manned. Maybe 40 people in queue. All in all 10 minutes wait or so.

NS->S filter no queue at all.
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Old Oct 4, 2022, 9:12 am
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Originally Posted by tourguide
Your opinion is worth nothing though. We have had this discussion about how in the past sometimes your travelpartners on the same pnr were allowed to go through priority security with you. But this was never a
He has a point though, and I do agree with him. And his opinion is just a valuable as yours or mine. Yes, you're right in that prio security for a companion it has never been a published perk for Flying Blue or Skyteam wide, but it /is/ a published perk on Skyteam's largest airline: Delta. Also, KLM has always extended this as an unpublished benefit, without exception,.at AMS. It's usually also extended at outstations.

It makes sense as well. As an Elite+ member, your loyalty to SkyTeam has given you certain benefits. Not extending those benefits to a non-Elite+ travel companion essentialy means that you yourself won't be able to use your benefits on that trip either. Even if you were to separate from your companion after check-in, you'll still have to wait airside to take him or her into the lounge, which /is/ a published benefit. It's just illogical not to extend the priority security benefit as well. And it's fine to limit this to 1 or 2 adults, just as Delta does. But not extending it at all is a huge middlefinger to loyal customers. Why be loyal for all-J business travel if you then can't even take your SO through priority security once or twice a year?

For now, you're better of just booking any TATL itinerary on Delta stock if travelling with a companion that does not have Elite+ status. In that case, your SkyPriority benefits will be (formally) extended to your travel companiion on the same PNR and there is usually no price difference whatsoever. As far as I understand the TATL partnership, there is no revenue difference for KLM or Delta either. This doesn't work for other destinations though.

KLM might change the rules and follow Delta's suit in the future, but they won't do that if people don't voice their concerns.
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Old Oct 4, 2022, 9:31 am
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Luchtvaartnieuws.nl reports that over a third of security agents at Schiphol are looking for new jobs. Their source is the trade union, which is not unbiased.

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