b12e

Wasn't mentioned, unfortunately. So your guess is as good as mine at this point.

GUWonder

As in other matters related to AF-KL when it comes to the FFP world, look to DL as a sign of things that may come in ways to AF-KL program members.

dubistokay

This is eye opening. I have been long wondering why the most obnoxious passengers tend to be seated right behind the biz cabin. It all makes sense now.

Xandrios

Report from a colleague; this morning at 05:30AM Privium took about 30 minutes for Dep 1 (Skyprio back entrance). I'll be flying tomorrow early morning and will report back for the Saturday traffic.

FlyingRVS

Thanks Xandrios. I am traveling tomorrow as well, flight at 5 PM. Will submit data point after I passed Security.

johan rebel

On a really lucky day they will join you in the biz cabin.

I vividly recall a LHR-AMS flight back in the days when BA still had a proper (well, almost proper) shorthaul J cabin configuration. A Dutch couple was last to board and had presumably received an OpUp. I don't know whether they had been told, but if so, the penny certainly hadn't dropped. Monumental confusion ensued. For starters, they had been given what were presumably the last seats, located in different rows. The guy loudly complained to the cabin crew, he wanted his partner seated next to him in the empty middle seat. When told this was not possible, he was totally uncomprehending. Strange as it may sound, he seemed completely unaware that there was such a thing as business class, and that he was sitting in it! In the end he accepted the explanation he could not make sense of, and we departed with him in a window seat and the lady in the aisle seat two rows down. That of course in no way stopped them from engaging in conversation, which became especially lively when they were served lunch (back then still pretty much OK even on a very short flight like that). That tray and its contents caused genuine excitement and amazement. Wow (Oh! Mot je nou toch effe kijke!)! How was this even possible on a plane? Incredible! Their previous flying experience, if any, must have been restricted to Ryanair, by the sounds of it. They looked the part too. The gent's demeanor and appearance reminded me of a one-whore pimp, and as for his lady companion, well . . . .

Rarely have I been so entertained on a plane.

Johan

johan rebel

What other matters, and what things?

Johan

johan rebel

On shorthaul flights, I don't really see why anybody would pay for just an inch or two of extra pitch (I of course say this from the comfortable position of somebody who gets it for free). Yet I have colleagues (Silvers, many of whom are now Gold for a year thanks to the pandemic XP bonuses) who routinely do pay only because they want to be seated as far forward as possible, which maximizes their chances of making their train connection. This summer they have been wasting their money, what with just about every flight being delayed.

Johan

Concerto

You would probably be amazed if you knew how many times I have, on European flights, got up from the EC area at the front of Y and walked to the back of the aircraft to find another seat, space permitting. It's always been to get away from extremely annoying or audibly sick people. The back is usually calm, or calmer.

Ben Lipsey

I promise you this is not the case

Ben Lipsey

Hoping Q1 of next year.

GUWonder

For now at least, right?

With the seat thing too?

These programs seem to gravitate toward being more alike in some ways the longer these airlines are allowed to legally collude together as part of government-immunized, revenue-sharing JVs; but anyone willing to bust the trend is doing me a favor when the governments are unwilling to bust up these immunized partnerships. Good luck.

The mess at AMS is one thing that some of us can work around to some extent. The devaluations of the FFP are probably longer lasting even as there are workarounds to that too. Both have one aspect in common for a workaround: shop around more.

Welcome to a change of employer and role. Looking forward to increased AF-KL FB participation here.

tulipan

Datapoint this Saturday morning, flight at 07:00, HBO. Arrived by train at 05:05 (I know..way too early but with unreliability of Dutch railroads & uncertainty about what we would encounter at Schiphol seemed like a safe time). Priority security behind SP closed/unmanned. Went through anyway upstairs 2 lines open, 3 pax in front. Went pretty smooth (and surprise surprise nothing!! at/going to secondary). Star alliance lounge closed� waited about 30min for Aspire to open.

Xandrios

I arrived about an hour after you, just before 6AM. Priority line behind Skypriority was now manned , no queue downstairs, and we were led to the left to Departures 1.

Queued for about 15 minutes and then 5-10 minutes more for the actual check. Very slow processing of trays, and while almost none went to secondary mine did. Had some 50ml antiseptic in a side pocket that apparently they were amazed by. Train to lounge in about 30 minutes.

The regular security was not as bad as I had expected it to be: No line downstairs to pass the scanners for Departures 1 security. Upstairs most of the holding penn was filled, I�d imagine it to be easily about an hour wait. Could have been worse, but, compared to previous wait times at such an early hour not great of course.

Now at lounge 25 enjoying breakfast� or the sad excuse of a breakfast that KLM serves. Without OJ because all machines are out of service. Which can be considered rediculous at breakfast time, or alternatively, a win for not having to drink that instant stuff

Arpoador

Priority security took around 10-15 min at 06:30. Still no queue downstairs for regular security. Lounge 25 half empty.