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BA850 Aug 3, 22 9:23 am


Originally Posted by MCI777 (Post 34482569)
I'm flying YYZ-AMS-CPT in September. It appears that KLM stopped selling seats on the AMS-CPT flight on 17th of September (the day I'm flying to CPT). I assume this is part of the reduction in seats allocated from AMS. Should I be worried that the flight will cancel?

Itís possible, but itís more likely that KLM is restricting the number of seats sold, rather than scrapping flights.

See this article from yesterday, which explains the approach:

https://nltimes.nl/2022/08/02/schiphol-restrictions-will-cost-sector-millions-klm-sees-extra-cancellations

Key quote:

ĒAirline KLM does not expect to have to cancel flights as a result. The company will sell fewer seats to Dutch travelers in this period. The airline will remain in talks with Schiphol. The aim is to ďavoid restrictions on the KLM operation and our customers.ĒĒ

MCI777 Aug 3, 22 9:33 am


Originally Posted by BA850 (Post 34482624)
Itís possible, but itís more likely that KLM is restricting the number of seats sold, rather than scrapping flights.

See this article from yesterday, which explains the approach:

https://nltimes.nl/2022/08/02/schiphol-restrictions-will-cost-sector-millions-klm-sees-extra-cancellations

Key quote:

Thank you for the response!

Sjoerd Aug 3, 22 3:08 pm

Datapoint Wednesday 3 August 8:30pm T3 no priority security:
Wait time: zero. A friend posted a video, he was literally the only one approaching T3 security.

NYC Flyer Aug 4, 22 1:58 am

04AUG USA>Schengen transfer, 7:00 am:

5-7 min wait for passport control.

EuropeanPete Aug 4, 22 2:39 am

Not strictly a KLM review, but I'm in AMS at the moment. Got here around 9am for an 11:25 flight.

Terminal 1 had a line about 100m outside. Looked nasty, but obviously nowhere near as long as it has been.

Terminal 3 had a security line which went right up to the door but not actually outside. There was no evident priority line, but as a Business Class customer I was able to skip the full line which I guess would have been at least 2 hours. I only had 6 people to wait behind. That was a $100 J upgrade well spent.

chrisbangkok Aug 4, 22 6:05 am


Originally Posted by EuropeanPete (Post 34484780)
Not strictly a KLM review, but I'm in AMS at the moment. Got here around 9am for an 11:25 flight.

Terminal 1 had a line about 100m outside. Looked nasty, but obviously nowhere near as long as it has been.

Terminal 3 had a security line which went right up to the door but not actually outside. There was no evident priority line, but as a Business Class customer I was able to skip the full line which I guess would have been at least 2 hours. I only had 6 people to wait behind. That was a $100 J upgrade well spent.

Thanks for the T3 update, much appreciated. If there was no priority line how did you skip the "normal" line?

EuropeanPete Aug 4, 22 11:52 am


Originally Posted by chrisbangkok (Post 34485042)
Thanks for the T3 update, much appreciated. If there was no priority line how did you skip the "normal" line?

You show your boarding pass to the staff looking after the electronic boarding pass gates first. It was a bit chaotic at the front so I found a couple of guys just sort of hanging around a separate area who let me through. There's then a queue before and up the stairs which you need to pass on the right under "Crew" where the person guarding the stairs will let you up.

I'm guessing a fair few people in Business Class never figure this out.

johan rebel Aug 4, 22 1:44 pm


Originally Posted by SDQBound (Post 34482579)
My main concern was that because back in 2019, when AMS was supposed to be smooth.

A lot of the time it was anything but, though.

Johan

johan rebel Aug 4, 22 1:55 pm


Originally Posted by Sjoerd (Post 34482019)
It is possible that KLM is filling the seats with more transfer passengers than they would do if AMS was operating at full capacity.

Two days ago I was on a flight that was far from full (739, total load 132/184, J 10/16). That was a first this year on KLM. A colleague reported being on a KLC flight the other day that she estimated was not even 1/3 full.

Johan

Fabo.sk Aug 4, 22 2:56 pm


Originally Posted by mistytalon (Post 34481986)
If you had a 7AM flight also, how soon would you get to the airport, considering the current circumstances? Curious as to how much lead time is required.

Last time I arrived for 9:50 at 8:15 and had time to kill.

In your place I'd aim around 5 am, a bit more with baggage, a bit less without.

kozm Aug 4, 22 5:12 pm

We have transfer time (Canada to non-Schengen, carry-on, no priority) of 8h30 between the flights at AMS. Would going to the city be too risky considering the current situation? Just wanted a quick stroll by the Central station and around. Thanks.

BA850 Aug 4, 22 5:45 pm


Originally Posted by kozm (Post 34486885)
We have transfer time (Canada to non-Schengen, carry-on, no priority) of 8h30 between the flights at AMS. Would going to the city be too risky considering the current situation? Just wanted a quick stroll by the Central station and around. Thanks.

Donít bother. Arriving from Canada, youíll need to clear immigration to leave the airport. Per Fabo.skís post on 29th July (and my own observations later the same day), exit (arrival) passport control is a significant bottleneck.

Without priority access to security, youíll also need to budget four hours to make it airside upon your return (security, plus passport control).

The travel time between Schiphol and Amsterdam Centraal is only 13-17 minutes, which means that under ordinary circumstances, you could make it to the city and spend a few hours strolling around, but at the moment, Iíd advise against it.

kozm Aug 4, 22 6:28 pm

Thanks for your quick response!

erik123 Aug 5, 22 5:31 am


Originally Posted by kozm (Post 34486885)
We have transfer time (Canada to non-Schengen, carry-on, no priority) of 8h30 between the flights at AMS. Would going to the city be too risky considering the current situation? Just wanted a quick stroll by the Central station and around. Thanks.

It's hard to say - some days/times will be like normal and after the school holidays end you'll also see a big drop in passengers.

BA850 Aug 5, 22 5:41 am


Originally Posted by kozm (Post 34487057)
Thanks for your quick response!

No problem. What I would suggest, if youíre flying KLM, is purchasing access to the non-Schengen Crown Lounge at Schiphol.

The price is Ä65 per head, but you could easily end up spending that in eight hours at the airport anyway. The food isnít fantastic, but itís a very nice space and youíll have the option to take a shower.

You can find more details here, but if you purchase online via ĎMy Tripí, youíll receive a Ä10 discount: https://www.klm.nl/en/information/airport/crown-lounges

If you arenít flying KLM or donít want to pay Ä65 (Ä55 in advance) there are other (cheaper) paid lounges available and you can find additional information here: https://www.schiphol.nl/en/page/airline-lounges/


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