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maalloc Apr 1, 2022 11:00 pm


Originally Posted by johan rebel (Post 34128320)
Yes, PFL would be a good reason, bunkering up on XPs would be a hedge against coming up short one year before hitting ten. Otherwise gold should be good enough,l as you say.

Doing a single run when you are just short of making plat also makes sense, but judging by the mileage run thread, quite a few people are willing to spend numerous weekends taking long detours and flying many segments to and from whatever destination happens to offer the best value for money, crawling out of bed in the dead of night to catch early flights, and crawling back in bed in the next dead of night after arriving on the last flight of the day. To each his own, some may even find it enjoyable, but it is a thing I have a hard time getting my head around. And yes, once again, as a PFL with no need, desire or chance of reaching Ultimate, I'm in the comfortable position of being able to ignore XPs. I'm just an amused and bemused spectator.

Johan

I could offer you my 2 cts as a Covid XP Runner (trademark pending). I did a bunch of segments to secure PFL: that was the first rationale.
But truth to be told, I could have done fewer. When you enjoy flying and traveling and are living in a locked down country with few work travel opportunities, the faintest goal is good enough to hop on a plane.

I understand you live in a country that stayed pretty open minded, travel-wise, for the past two years. It was not the same everywhere. Traveling for the sake of traveling was a common topic in cabin amongst FTers.

Plus, what’s not to love about Mexican salads…

johan rebel Apr 2, 2022 12:11 pm


Originally Posted by maalloc (Post 34128881)
I understand you live in a country that stayed pretty open minded, travel-wise, for the past two years. It was not the same everywhere. Traveling for the sake of traveling was a common topic in cabin amongst FTers.

Yeah, I couldn't believe my luck. No lockdowns or any of that kind of stuff (and, at least locally, no pandemic either). Nevertheless, I took every opportunity to travel for the sake of traveling, in addition to traveling for work. Not having to take XPs into account, I went for destinations that are normally overrun by tourists, but now were not. I now have an astounding collection of pictures of empty beaches, deserted archaeological sites, etc. etc.


Originally Posted by maalloc (Post 34128881)
Plus, what’s not to love about Mexican salads…

:D :D :D

I guess you are referring to real Mexican salads, right?

Johan

maalloc Apr 2, 2022 2:47 pm


Originally Posted by johan rebel (Post 34130286)

I guess you are referring to real Mexican salads, right?

Johan

Well, I just came back home after spending 2 weeks in Mexico City… These guys have a very strange interpretation of what a Mexican salad should be made of. Street food, restaurants, lunch boxes: impossible to find anything remotely close to the Wandersalades.

KL should organize cooking classes there. It’s time this country learns how to cook this dish properly.

Fabo.sk Apr 4, 2022 3:20 am


Originally Posted by johan rebel (Post 34127878)
Out of idle curiosity:

Those who achieve status via XP runs presumably do it that way because they don't fly enough to get there the regular way. In other words, they are not true frequent flyers (yeah, we can argue about the definition). Now these XP runs come at a cost, in both time and money. Lounge access can be purchased at most airports; priority lines may save time at security, but not always; and carry-on issues can be avoided by planning carefully and bringing as little as possible.

I'm probably missing something, but is it really worth the time and outlay, especially for those who don't really fly that often? The answer must obviously be yes for all those doing these runs, but personally I can't see myself spending a whole bunch of weekends eating out of Wonderful Wanders Boxes, just to enjoy Crown Lounge gloop, watch the SP security line being force fed regular pax right under my nose, and then getting to stuff my 25 kg steamer trunk in the locker right above my seat. (Hypothetically speaking, because I can't deny it: I've been PFL ever since that status was invented).

No offense implied or intended to anyone, just puzzled.

Johan

Personally, I rarely do runs for sake of runs, though I do often strategically plan vacations and side trips to extend qualifying earning. I am a FF enough (or was before the pandemic) to the point I could earn gold status with FB or M&M silver or maybe other *G if I was able to route most travel to a single alliance, but between the corporate travel rules and pricing and availability in my private flying, I find that having status in both ST and *A gives me more options. If it means occasionally paying extra to reach status I otherwise would not have, it pays back quickly in form of free bags and F&B in lounges outside AMS (particularly if I have a long transfer somewhere in DACH or in CDG).

straniero Apr 4, 2022 6:15 am


Originally Posted by johan rebel (Post 34127878)
Out of idle curiosity:

Those who achieve status via XP runs presumably do it that way because they don't fly enough to get there the regular way. In other words, they are not true frequent flyers (yeah, we can argue about the definition). Now these XP runs come at a cost, in both time and money. Lounge access can be purchased at most airports; priority lines may save time at security, but not always; and carry-on issues can be avoided by planning carefully and bringing as little as possible.

I'm probably missing something, but is it really worth the time and outlay, especially for those who don't really fly that often? The answer must obviously be yes for all those doing these runs, but personally I can't see myself spending a whole bunch of weekends eating out of Wonderful Wanders Boxes, just to enjoy Crown Lounge gloop, watch the SP security line being force fed regular pax right under my nose, and then getting to stuff my 25 kg steamer trunk in the locker right above my seat. (Hypothetically speaking, because I can't deny it: I've been PFL ever since that status was invented).

No offense implied or intended to anyone, just puzzled.

Johan

I will reply for myself only, can't answer for others. I am enough of a frequent flier to qualify for platinum every year. I've been AZ freccia alata plus 9 years in a row flying almost 2x the needed qualifying miles, then that stupid company decided to fail once and for all. almost time, truth be told, but doesn't play in my favor. I opted for AF as the most logical choice (I live in France, go to Italy monthly) and needed a superquick way to get to platinum and begin the PFL run. so yes, in my case the XP run was most welcome to get from 0 to plat in 5 months.
to give you an example, among the flights that brought me to plat, I made 180xp with a single CDG-AMS-NYC flight, and the same 180xp with a LIN-CDG-AMS-KRK flight.

however the NYC flight - which incidentally was a business trip and then I didn't pay a dime - cost 1300€, the KRK flight cost 550. considering my 'need' to get to platinum quickly, I consider it more than reasonable. I won't do xp runs unless necessary, but in that case it was just what I needed to get to plat, and it was well worth the cost.


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