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Old Mar 15, 2023, 5:42 am
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Originally Posted by smartytravel
are these permanently discontinued or will KLM resume once KLM is in a better shape to offer better flight times?
Few things in airtravel are "permanent" - but when both routes were announced only a few months ago, they were certainly not billed as being intended as just winter seasonal services. As such, you can assume that these routes won't be coming back in the foreseeable future.

I don't think this has anything to do with KLM's "shape". InsideFlyer quotes a KLM source as saying that the Aarhus service simply wasn't profitable - and if one of the comments on the article is to be believed the load factor was extremely low - hardly a good sign that it will be coming back for Winter 2023/4
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Old Mar 15, 2023, 6:28 am
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Originally Posted by irishguy28
Few things in airtravel are "permanent" - but when both routes were announced only a few months ago, they were certainly not billed as being intended as just winter seasonal services. As such, you can assume that these routes won't be coming back in the foreseeable future.

I don't think this has anything to do with KLM's "shape". InsideFlyer quotes a KLM source as saying that the Aarhus service simply wasn't profitable - and if one of the comments on the article is to be believed the load factor was extremely low - hardly a good sign that it will be coming back for Winter 2023/4
Hmmm. Interesting. The KTW route wasn't so bad. Apparently, a typical LF was around 70 pax, and occasionally a full flight. I think one of the major issues was pretty bad connection times in AMS (no TATL network available to America's).
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Old Mar 15, 2023, 7:08 am
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Originally Posted by smartytravel
Hmmm. Interesting. The KTW route wasn't so bad. Apparently, a typical LF was around 70 pax, and occasionally a full flight. I think one of the major issues was pretty bad connection times in AMS (no TATL network available to America's).
A full flight doesn't mean a profitable flight.
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Old Mar 15, 2023, 7:54 am
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Especially at the beginning of a route, when you are as an airline essentially trying to buy marketshare and recognition.

Still it makes them good candidates for cutting capacity when externally mandated...
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Old Mar 15, 2023, 7:57 am
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It would appear that Aarhus' loss is Aalborg's gain. This helpful KLM staff member has been deployed at Aarhus airport to advertise increased frequencies from Aalborg, of up to 4 rotations per day, in the summer season.

And indeed, Thursday March 30 appears to be the first day with 4 KLM services to/from Aalborg. Up until the switchover to the new timetable, it's variously 1, 2 or 3 daily services; going forward into the Summer 2023 timetable 4 services are scheduled (though one of the four is shown as "cancelled" on many of those days; the full schedule of 4 is not operated again until Friday 7 April, and then again on Saturday 15 April...)
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Old Mar 15, 2023, 12:07 pm
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From may 29th the daily TLV flight kl 461/2 will be operated by b 772 iso b 737-900
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Old Mar 17, 2023, 2:24 pm
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Originally Posted by irishguy28
It would appear that Aarhus' loss is Aalborg's gain. This helpful KLM staff member has been deployed at Aarhus airport to advertise increased frequencies from Aalborg, of up to 4 rotations per day, in the summer season.

And indeed, Thursday March 30 appears to be the first day with 4 KLM services to/from Aalborg. Up until the switchover to the new timetable, it's variously 1, 2 or 3 daily services; going forward into the Summer 2023 timetable 4 services are scheduled (though one of the four is shown as "cancelled" on many of those days; the full schedule of 4 is not operated again until Friday 7 April, and then again on Saturday 15 April...)
The main problem is that it lays in the middle of nowhere and BLL isn’t so much further away from Aarhus city center. BLL offers a nicer airport, more facilities, a decent lounge and many more KL departures. So flying to AAR doesn’t have that many benefits. Aalborg covers northern Jutland pretty well so I also don’t believe AMS-AAR will be coming back soon. Never say never though.
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Old Mar 23, 2023, 1:55 am
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KLM doubling the number of flights to Asia

As of Sunday March 26 (IATA Summer timetable), KLM will be operating with higher frequency to China and other Asian destinations. The number of flights to Asia will be double that of 2022.

Both Beijing and Shanghai will be served daily (currently 6 per week)
Tokyo will be served with more flights

The 3 weekly flights to Hong Kong will no longer be required to make an intermediate stop.

In Europe, Nantes goes 3 times daily.

Looking west, Toronto increases from 10 to 13 per week, and Curaçao will have 10 weekly flights in July and August; outside of the high season Curaçao will be served with a single daily flight.

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Old Mar 30, 2023, 8:20 am
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Cancellations Summer 2023

KLM are about to cancel a series of flights for the upcoming summer season
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Old Jun 27, 2023, 1:25 am
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MCT, will be dropped , from september 11 onwards and BGI will not return in winter 23/24
KWI-BAH will see more frequencies from sept 11
From w 23/24 TPE will be combined again with MNL,
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Old Aug 9, 2023, 4:49 am
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KLM will discontinue KWI and BAH as well from end of october , SXM-POS will see increase from january
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Old Aug 23, 2023, 1:40 am
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Originally Posted by splflyer
KLM will discontinue KWI and BAH as well from end of October.
what a bummer flights were always full in both directions between AMS and KWI/BAH. The service is ending shortly after it's 60th anniversary of flights to KWI.
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Old Aug 23, 2023, 2:25 am
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Originally Posted by splflyer
MCT, will be dropped , from september 11 onwards .... KLM will discontinue KWI and BAH as well from end of october
well seems they are reorganizing their flights in the region

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BGI will not return in winter 23/24
thanks for information , thats very bad news , KL flights to BGI were pretty cheap compared to competitors from UK and ireland
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Old Aug 24, 2023, 2:43 am
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thanks for information , thats very bad news , KL flights to BGI were pretty cheap compared to competitors from UK and ireland
Sorry for the OT, but I have to ask: which airline(s) fly from Ireland to Barbados?

EDIT: Oh, you mean the Aer Lingus UK flight from Manchester?
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Old Aug 24, 2023, 8:22 am
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Originally Posted by irishguy28
Sorry for the OT, but I have to ask: which airline(s) fly from Ireland to Barbados?
None, or at least on a regular basis as far as i know , cause there are often charters from tour operators during northern hemisphere's winter

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EDIT: Oh, you mean the Aer Lingus UK flight from Manchester?
By "competitors from UK and ireland" i mean nationalities of the carriers, regardless if flights to/fom BGI are operated by subisdiary or not
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