Forcing an Overnight in AMS Results in Different Fares Depending on Booking Channel
Jan 24, 2022, 6:24 pm
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Forcing an Overnight in AMS Results in Different Fares Depending on Booking Channel
I mentioned this phenomenon in another thread on refund issues, but as this is a consistent pattern I thought it deserved its own thread.
This is the itinerary I'm trying to book - I created a layover of less than 24 hours on the way back:
SFO - AMS. 4/15th, KL 606, departs 13:45, arrives 9:05 AM on 4/16th.
NCE-AMS, 4/23rd, KL 1254, departs 12:10, arrives 14:15
AMS-SFO, 4/24th, KL 607, departs 12:35, arrives 14:30.
AFAIK, the above should price as an open jaw from SFO to AMS, returning from NCE. There is less than a 24 hour overnight on the return so the fare should not bump up.
Booking the above on Expedia costs $595. Doesn't tell me the fare basis, but the transatlantic flights are booked in V and the NCE to AMS in L.
Same flights booked on klm.com costs $716. I can't see fare class or fare basis without paying for ticket.
Booking on Google Flights, I am given the price of $566 before I select each segment - then after I select the third segment the fare goes up to $2,627 and I am told that I have to book 3 separate tickets, and I am directed to klm.com to do so.
Anyone know what's going on? I assume this is some sort of married segment logic that Expedia ignores, and klm.com and Google Flights process in different ways.
My actual goal is to book with KLM directly at the lowest fare.
This is the itinerary I'm trying to book - I created a layover of less than 24 hours on the way back:
SFO - AMS. 4/15th, KL 606, departs 13:45, arrives 9:05 AM on 4/16th.
NCE-AMS, 4/23rd, KL 1254, departs 12:10, arrives 14:15
AMS-SFO, 4/24th, KL 607, departs 12:35, arrives 14:30.
AFAIK, the above should price as an open jaw from SFO to AMS, returning from NCE. There is less than a 24 hour overnight on the return so the fare should not bump up.
Booking the above on Expedia costs $595. Doesn't tell me the fare basis, but the transatlantic flights are booked in V and the NCE to AMS in L.
Same flights booked on klm.com costs $716. I can't see fare class or fare basis without paying for ticket.
Booking on Google Flights, I am given the price of $566 before I select each segment - then after I select the third segment the fare goes up to $2,627 and I am told that I have to book 3 separate tickets, and I am directed to klm.com to do so.
Anyone know what's going on? I assume this is some sort of married segment logic that Expedia ignores, and klm.com and Google Flights process in different ways.
My actual goal is to book with KLM directly at the lowest fare.
Jan 25, 2022, 1:22 am
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Anyone know what's going on? I assume this is some sort of married segment logic that Expedia ignores, and klm.com and Google Flights process in different ways.
so if fare code is the most important criteria , then 100$ more is not a lot to ensure you have what you want
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Jan 25, 2022, 1:57 am
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AFAIK some booking engines/OLTAs don't check fare rules and fare class availability until the final purchase, so this could be a "phantom" issue.
Being based in the USA, when I want to do an overnight connection (under 24 hours) with my return TATL segment to avoid a 6 am connecting flight, I call DL to ticket the segments I want. These connecting itineraries generally do not appear on delta.dumb when I search, even though they're legitimate connections with through fares available. Often availability for intraEU flights is better late in the day versus the early morning flights.
Have you tried to call DL/AF/KLM?
Being based in the USA, when I want to do an overnight connection (under 24 hours) with my return TATL segment to avoid a 6 am connecting flight, I call DL to ticket the segments I want. These connecting itineraries generally do not appear on delta.dumb when I search, even though they're legitimate connections with through fares available. Often availability for intraEU flights is better late in the day versus the early morning flights.
Have you tried to call DL/AF/KLM?
Jan 25, 2022, 6:47 am
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I don't like this part:
That looks like Expedia is doing something weird under the hood. Don't know if it's phantom or not, but it's not a through fare NCE-SFO as it would be on a real openjaw.
Fare construction on SFO-AMS//NCE-AMS-SFO should constitue from a SFO-AMS 1/2 rt fare and NCE-SFO 1/2 rt fare. Either can be a different letter but NCE-SFO needs to be the same letter and the same actual fare (unlike some other airlines, KL does not do end-to-end fare combinations within a leg)
Can you try and put this together on matrix.itasoftware.com? That would give us more insight on the actual fare construction. I wonder if Expedia does SFO-AMS r/t + NCE-AMS either ow or 1/2rt somehow
Booking the above on Expedia costs $595. Doesn't tell me the fare basis, but the transatlantic flights are booked in V and the NCE to AMS in L.
Fare construction on SFO-AMS//NCE-AMS-SFO should constitue from a SFO-AMS 1/2 rt fare and NCE-SFO 1/2 rt fare. Either can be a different letter but NCE-SFO needs to be the same letter and the same actual fare (unlike some other airlines, KL does not do end-to-end fare combinations within a leg)
Can you try and put this together on matrix.itasoftware.com? That would give us more insight on the actual fare construction. I wonder if Expedia does SFO-AMS r/t + NCE-AMS either ow or 1/2rt somehow
Jan 25, 2022, 8:04 am
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KLM quotes using fare basis VK6X46M1. It's the same price whether you accept a same-day connection at AMS or have an overnight at AMS, so the overnight stop appears to have nothing to do with it.
One immediately-noticeable difference between the two fare bases, on a quick look, appears to be that VK5X46B1 is "basic economy", but VK6X46M1 is "main cabin".
Booking into L class on intra-Europe flights is specified in the rules for both fares, so this is not an issue.
Jan 25, 2022, 8:56 am
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Looks like one is non-refundable, the other one is. Keeping in mind that, irrespective of fare rules, any KLM fare is refundable due to the covid-policy through end of June. Further differences, that I see from a quick glance, are about what metal the flights may be booked on - the second fare allows booking on VS for example.
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Fare Routing Search: Departing SFO on 16/04/22 for AMS Fare basis code VK5X46B1 Flying KL Routing via North Atlantic Rule Category Rule Text RULE APPLICATION AND OTHER CONDITIONS NOTE - THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS INFORMATIONAL AND NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. BASIC ECONOMY FARES APPLICATION CLASS OF SERVICE THESE FARES APPLY FOR ECONOMY CLASS SERVICE. CAPACITY LIMITATIONS THE CARRIER SHALL LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PASSENGERS CARRIED ON ANY ONE FLIGHT AT FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE AND SUCH FARES WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE AVAILABLE ON ALL FLIGHTS. THE NUMBER OF SEATS, WHICH THE CARRIER SHALL MAKE AVAILABLE ON A GIVEN FLIGHT, WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE CARRIERS BEST JUDGEMENT. OTHER CONDITIONS NON REFUNDABLE FARES NO PRERESERVED SEATS UNUSED COUPONS HAVE NO RESIDUAL VALUE ----- FOR ALL TRAVEL ATLANTA TO/VIA AMSTERDAM COVID TEST REQUIRED- 1. PCR TEST WITHIN 5 DAYS PRIOR TO US DEPARTURE AT CUSTOMERS EXPENSE. BRING COPY OF NEGATIVE TEST RESULT. AND 2. RAPID ANTIGEN TEST WITHIN 3 HOURS OF US DEPARTURE FROM CARRIER-SPECIFIED PROVIDER AT NO ADDITIONAL COST. AND 3. FOR PASSENGERS WITH FINAL DESTINATON AMSTERDAM TEST UPON ARRIVAL AT NO ADDITIONAL COST ----- FOR ALL TRAVEL DETROIT TO/VIA AMSTERDAM 1. RAPID ANTIGEN TEST WITHIN 4 HOURS OF US DEPARTURE REQUIRED AND PROVIDED BY CARRIER- SPECIFIED PROVIDER AT NO ADDITIONAL COST. ELIGIBILITY NO ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS APPLY. DAY/TIME NO DAY/TIME TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY. SEASONALITY OUTBOUND - PERMITTED 08APR22 THROUGH 06MAY22 OR 04SEP22 THROUGH 22OCT22 OR 17NOV22 THROUGH 19NOV22 OR 14DEC22 THROUGH 16DEC22 OR 01APR23 THROUGH 05MAY23 OR 04SEP23 THROUGH 22OCT23 OR 17NOV23 THROUGH 20NOV23 INBOUND - OR 08APR22 THROUGH 13MAY22 OR 11SEP22 THROUGH 29OCT22 OR 26NOV22 THROUGH 28NOV22 OR 28DEC22 THROUGH 31DEC22 OR 05JAN23 THROUGH 08JAN23 OR 07APR23 THROUGH 12MAY23 OR 11SEP23 THROUGH 29OCT23 OR 25NOV23 THROUGH 28NOV23 OR 26DEC23 THROUGH 31DEC23 FOR EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR. 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STOPOVERS NO STOPOVERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT. TRANSFERS 1 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION ANY COMBINATION OF THE FOLLOWING - 1 INTERLINE INCLUDING KL IN HAWAII IN EACH DIRECTION. AND - 2 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION BETWEEN KL AND AF/DL/KL/VS IN UNITED STATES IN EACH DIRECTION AND - 1 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION BETWEEN KL AND AF/DL/KL/VS IN EUROPE IN EACH DIRECTION FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED AND EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT. COMBINATIONS DOUBLE OPEN JAWS/CIRCLE TRIPS NOT PERMITTED. END-ON-END NOT PERMITTED. SIDE TRIPS NOT PERMITTED. OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS -TO FORM SINGLE OPEN JAWS A MAXIMUM OF 2 FARE COMPONENTS PERMITTED. MILEAGE OF THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE EQUAL/LESS THAN MILEAGE OF THE SHORTEST FLOWN FARE COMPONENT. -TO FORM ROUND TRIPS. 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SALES MAY BE PERMITTED WORLDWIDE BUT TICKETS SOLD IN ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN WILL QUOTE THE Q-SURCHARGE INSTEAD OF YQ FOR AF. FUEL SURCHARGE OF EUR 216.00 PER DIRECTION WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ANY PASSENGER. GENERAL RULE - APPLY UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED IF INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2. THERE IS NO MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE PER DIRECTION PER ANY PASSENGER. ORIGINATING UNITED STATES - MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF USD 7.00 PER DIRECTION WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ANY PASSENGER FOR FROM/TO/VIA ROM. AND - ORIGINATING UNITED STATES OUTBOUND - FOR TRAVEL ON/AFTER 07MAY22 AND ON/BEFORE 03SEP22 MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF USD 45.00 PER DIRECTION WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ANY PASSENGER. AND - ORIGINATING UNITED STATES INBOUND - FOR TRAVEL ON/AFTER 14MAY22 AND ON/BEFORE 10SEP22 MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF USD 45.00 PER DIRECTION WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ANY PASSENGER. ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL NOT REQUIRED. TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS TRAVEL ON THIS FARE COMPONENT MUST COMMENCE BY MIDNIGHT ON 30APR22. SALES RESTRICTIONS FOOTNOTE RULE TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON/BEFORE 26JAN22. GENERAL RULE - APPLY UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR AF AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR A5 AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR AM AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR AZ AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR CM AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR CZ AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR DL AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR JU AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR KE AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR KQ AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. AND MAY ONLY BE SOLD IN BURUNDI/ETHIOPIA/MALAWI/MOZAMBIQUE/ RWANDA/SUDAN/SOMALIA/SOUTH SUDAN/ZAMBIA/ZIMBABWE. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR LG AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR MF AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR MK AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR MH AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR MU AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR PX AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR QV AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR SB AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR SV AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR VS AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR WF AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. PENALTIES CANCELLATIONS TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE IN CASE OF CANCEL/NO-SHOW. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. TICKET MAY NOT BE APPLIED TOWARDS PURCHASE OF ANY OTHER TICKET. UNUSED COUPONS HAVE NO RESIDUAL VALUE. CHANGES CHANGES PERMITTED. HIP/MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS THE HIGHER INTERMEDIATE POINT RULE DOES NOT APPLY FOR CONNECTIONS. AND - THE HIGHER INTERMEDIATE POINT RULE DOES NOT APPLY FOR STOPOVERS. 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EXCEPTION- INFANTS WHO REACH THEIR 2ND BIRTHDAY DURING THEIR TRAVEL WILL BE REQUIRED TO OCCUPY A SEAT ON THE OUBOUND AND INBOUND FLIGHTS. THE CHILDS FARE MUST BE APPLIED FOR THE WHOLE JOURNEY. OR - UNN/UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-14 - CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKET DESIGNATOR - UM AND PERCENT APPLIED. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN UNDER 5 YEARS OF AGE WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED FOR CARRIAGE UNDER ANY CONDITIONS. UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN AGES 5 THROUGH 7 MAY TRAVEL ON NON-STOP FLIGHTS ONLY AND MAY NOT CONNECT TO OTHER AIRLINES. CHILDREN AGES 8 THROUGH 14 MAY TRAVEL UNACCOMPANIED ON DELTAS NON-STOP OR CONNECTING FLIGHTS - BUT MAY NOT CONNECT TO OTHER AIRLINES WITH THE EXCEPTION OF DELTA CONNECTION/KLM AND AIR FRANCE. TOUR CONDUCTOR DISCOUNTS TUR/TOUR CONDUCTOR PSGR - NO DISCOUNT. AGENT DISCOUNTS AGT/AGENT PSGR - NO DISCOUNT. ALL OTHER DISCOUNTS NO DISCOUNTS FOR OTHERS. 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VOLUNTARY CHANGES IN THE EVENT OF CHANGES TO TICKETED FLIGHTS BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY AND WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN BY THOSE OF KL INTERNATIONAL FARES NO CHARGE FOR REISSUE CHARGE HIGHEST FEE OF ALL CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS - CATEGORY 19 DISCOUNTS APPLY AND REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS 2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC 3. KL FARES ARE USED 4. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET 5. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT OR - REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT TODAY PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC 2. AF/DL/KL/VS FARES ARE USED 3. 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Fare Routing Search: Departing SFO on 16/04/22 for AMS Fare basis code VK6X46M1 Flying KL Routing via North Atlantic Rule Category Rule Text RULE APPLICATION AND OTHER CONDITIONS NOTE - THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS INFORMATIONAL AND NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. MAIN CABIN FARES APPLICATION CLASS OF SERVICE THESE FARES APPLY FOR ECONOMY CLASS SERVICE. CAPACITY LIMITATIONS THE CARRIER SHALL LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PASSENGERS CARRIED ON ANY ONE FLIGHT AT FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE AND SUCH FARES WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE AVAILABLE ON ALL FLIGHTS. THE NUMBER OF SEATS, WHICH THE CARRIER SHALL MAKE AVAILABLE ON A GIVEN FLIGHT, WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE CARRIERS BEST JUDGEMENT. OTHER CONDITIONS ----- FOR ALL TRAVEL ATLANTA TO/VIA AMSTERDAM COVID TEST REQUIRED- 1. PCR TEST WITHIN 5 DAYS PRIOR TO US DEPARTURE AT CUSTOMERS EXPENSE. BRING COPY OF NEGATIVE TEST RESULT. AND 2. RAPID ANTIGEN TEST WITHIN 3 HOURS OF US DEPARTURE FROM CARRIER-SPECIFIED PROVIDER AT NO ADDITIONAL COST. AND 3. FOR PASSENGERS WITH FINAL DESTINATON AMSTERDAM TEST UPON ARRIVAL AT NO ADDITIONAL COST ----- FOR ALL TRAVEL DETROIT TO/VIA AMSTERDAM 1. RAPID ANTIGEN TEST WITHIN 4 HOURS OF US DEPARTURE REQUIRED AND PROVIDED BY CARRIER- SPECIFIED PROVIDER AT NO ADDITIONAL COST. ELIGIBILITY NO ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS APPLY. DAY/TIME NO DAY/TIME TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY. SEASONALITY OUTBOUND - PERMITTED 08APR22 THROUGH 06MAY22 OR 04SEP22 THROUGH 22OCT22 OR 17NOV22 THROUGH 19NOV22 OR 14DEC22 THROUGH 16DEC22 OR 01APR23 THROUGH 05MAY23 OR 04SEP23 THROUGH 22OCT23 OR 17NOV23 THROUGH 20NOV23 INBOUND - OR 08APR22 THROUGH 13MAY22 OR 11SEP22 THROUGH 29OCT22 OR 26NOV22 THROUGH 28NOV22 OR 28DEC22 THROUGH 31DEC22 OR 05JAN23 THROUGH 08JAN23 OR 07APR23 THROUGH 12MAY23 OR 11SEP23 THROUGH 29OCT23 OR 25NOV23 THROUGH 28NOV23 OR 26DEC23 THROUGH 31DEC23 FOR EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR. SEASON IS BASED ON TRIP DATE. FLIGHT APPLICATION IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL FROM/TO/VIA BELARUS THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST NOT BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY DL FLIGHT ANY AF FLIGHT OPERATED BY DL ANY KL FLIGHT OPERATED BY DL ANY VS FLIGHT OPERATED BY DL. AND THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY EI FLIGHT OPERATED BY EI ANY 9W FLIGHT ANY DL FLIGHT OPERATED BY 9W ANY AF FLIGHT OPERATED BY 9W ANY KL FLIGHT OPERATED BY 9W. AND THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL VIA EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AF FLIGHT ANY KL FLIGHT ANY DL FLIGHT OPERATED BY AF ANY DL FLIGHT OPERATED BY KL ANY DL FLIGHT OPERATED BY DL ANY DL FLIGHT OPERATED BY VS ANY VS FLIGHT OPERATED BY AF ANY VS FLIGHT OPERATED BY KL ANY VS FLIGHT OPERATED BY DL ANY VS FLIGHT OPERATED BY VS. 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AND - ORIGINATING UNITED STATES INBOUND - FOR TRAVEL ON/AFTER 14MAY22 AND ON/BEFORE 10SEP22 MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF USD 45.00 PER DIRECTION WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ANY PASSENGER. ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL NOT REQUIRED. TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS TRAVEL ON THIS FARE COMPONENT MUST COMMENCE BY MIDNIGHT ON 30APR22. SALES RESTRICTIONS FOOTNOTE RULE TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON/BEFORE 26JAN22. GENERAL RULE - APPLY UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR AF AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR A5 AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR AM AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR AZ AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR CM AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR CZ AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR DL AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR JU AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR KE AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR KQ AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. AND MAY ONLY BE SOLD IN BURUNDI/ETHIOPIA/MALAWI/MOZAMBIQUE/ RWANDA/SUDAN/SOMALIA/SOUTH SUDAN/ZAMBIA/ZIMBABWE. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR LG AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR MF AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR MK AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR MH AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR MU AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR PX AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR QV AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR SB AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR SV AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR VS AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF KL OR WF AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA/NIGERIA. PENALTIES CANCELLATIONS ANY TIME TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE IN CASE OF CANCEL/ NO-SHOW. WAIVED FOR DEATH OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER. CHANGES ANY TIME CHANGES PERMITTED. CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY. 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IF EQUAL/HIGHER - COLLECT THE CHANGE FEE AND ANY DIFFERENCE IN FARE AT TIME OF REISSUE. FLIGHTS MUST BE REBOOKED AND TICKET REISSUED AT TIME OF CHANGE. . --WHOLLY UNUSED TICKET-- I. CHANGES TO OUTBOUND PORTION OF UNUSED TICKETS A. ISSUE A NEW TICKET - CANCEL AND START OVER 1. MUST USE CURRENT FARES 2. VALIDATE ALL FARE RULES 3. VALUE OF ORIGINAL TICKET LESS CHANGE FEE MAY BE APPLIED TOWARD THE PURCHASE OF A NEW TICKET II. CHANGES TO CONTINUING/RETURN PORTION OF UNUSED TICKETS A. REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TICKET WAS ORIGINALLY ISSUED - USING HISTORICAL FARES 1. NO CHANGES ALLOWED TO THE FIRST FARE COMPONENT 2. WHEN SAME FARES USED - ALL RULES AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS MUST BE MET 3. NEW TICKET MAY BE LOWER OR EQUAL OR HIGHER VALUE THAN PREVIOUS TICKET 4. VALIDATE ALL FARE RULES 5. ADVANCE RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TICKET DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT -OR- B. ISSUE A NEW TICKET - CANCEL AND START OVER 1. MUST USE CURRENT FARES 2. VALIDATE ALL FARE RULES 3. 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EXCEPTION- INFANTS WHO REACH THEIR 2ND BIRTHDAY DURING THEIR TRAVEL WILL BE REQUIRED TO OCCUPY A SEAT ON THE OUBOUND AND INBOUND FLIGHTS. THE CHILDS FARE MUST BE APPLIED FOR THE WHOLE JOURNEY. OR - UNN/UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-14 - CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKET DESIGNATOR - UM AND PERCENT APPLIED. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN UNDER 5 YEARS OF AGE WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED FOR CARRIAGE UNDER ANY CONDITIONS. UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN AGES 5 THROUGH 7 MAY TRAVEL ON NON-STOP FLIGHTS ONLY AND MAY NOT CONNECT TO OTHER AIRLINES. CHILDREN AGES 8 THROUGH 14 MAY TRAVEL UNACCOMPANIED ON DELTAS NON-STOP OR CONNECTING FLIGHTS - BUT MAY NOT CONNECT TO OTHER AIRLINES WITH THE EXCEPTION OF DELTA CONNECTION/KLM AND AIR FRANCE. TOUR CONDUCTOR DISCOUNTS NO DISCOUNTS FOR TOUR CONDUCTORS. AGENT DISCOUNTS NO DISCOUNTS FOR SALE AGENTS. ALL OTHER DISCOUNTS NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. NO OTHER DISCOUNTS PERMITTED. MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS THIS FARE MUST NOT BE USED AS THROUGH FARE WITH A DIFFERENTIAL AND/OR TO CALCULATE DIFFERENTIAL. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. IN CASE OF CHANGE OF POINT OF DEPARTURE OR PARTIAL USE OF THE TICKET BY THE PASSENGER FOR THE ABOVE-MENTIONED CHANGE THE PASSENGER WILL BE CHARGED A FIXED FARE COMPLEMENT OF 500EUR ALL TAXES INCLUDED. THIS APPLIES ONLY ON DAY OF TRAVEL AT THE AIRPORT. FARE BY RULE NOT APPLICABLE. GROUPS NO GROUP PROVISIONS APPLY. TOURS NO TOUR PROVISIONS APPLY. VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY NO VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY PROVISIONS APPLY. DEPOSITS NO DEPOSIT PROVISIONS APPLY. 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ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE SUBTRACT RESIDUAL FROM THE PENALTY THEN ADD-COLLECT/REFUND - REFUND VIA MCO ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW ENDORSEMENTS. OR - ANYTIME WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN BY THOSE OF KL INTERNATIONAL FARES NO CHARGE FOR REISSUE CHARGE HIGHEST FEE OF ALL CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS - CATEGORY 19 DISCOUNTS APPLY AND REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. NO CHANGE TO 1ST FARE COMPONENT 2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC 3. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO FURTHER POINT 4. AF/DL/KL/VS FARES ARE USED 5. KL ANY FARE TYPE EXCEPT EOU/ERH/ERU/PRU ARE USED 6. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET EXCEPT ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL 7. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE SUBTRACT RESIDUAL FROM THE PENALTY THEN ADD-COLLECT/REFUND - REFUND VIA MCO ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW ENDORSEMENTS. . VOLUNTARY REFUNDS CHECK CATEGORY 16 OR CONTACT CARRIER FOR DETAILS. NEGOTIATED FARES NOT APPLICABLE. INTERNATIONAL CONSTRUCTION NOT A CONSTRUCTED FARE .
Looks like one is non-refundable, the other one is. Keeping in mind that, irrespective of fare rules, any KLM fare is refundable due to the covid-policy through end of June. Further differences, that I see from a quick glance, are about what metal the flights may be booked on - the second fare allows booking on VS for example.
Jan 25, 2022, 9:03 am
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ITA is quoting the same price as Expedia, using fare basis VK5X46B1 in both directions (both SFO-AMS and NCE-SFO).
KLM quotes using fare basis VK6X46M1. It's the same price whether you accept a same-day connection at AMS or have an overnight at AMS, so the overnight stop appears to have nothing to do with it.
One immediately-noticeable difference between the two fare bases, on a quick look, appears to be that VK5X46B1 is "basic economy", but VK6X46M1 is "main cabin".
Booking into L class on intra-Europe flights is specified in the rules for both fares, so this is not an issue.
KLM quotes using fare basis VK6X46M1. It's the same price whether you accept a same-day connection at AMS or have an overnight at AMS, so the overnight stop appears to have nothing to do with it.
One immediately-noticeable difference between the two fare bases, on a quick look, appears to be that VK5X46B1 is "basic economy", but VK6X46M1 is "main cabin".
Booking into L class on intra-Europe flights is specified in the rules for both fares, so this is not an issue.
OK, I see. You've actually found the point - KLM multicity tool does not allow for selection of light fare. Neither does Air France if someone wanted to try.
OTOH Expedia only offers Light fare, when available.
Jan 26, 2022, 12:19 pm
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As a result of the hive mind tackling this, the dysfunction is easy to describe:
On klm.com (or the app), if you book a round-trip itinerary, the booking flow makes you choose Light, Standard, or Flex. If you select multi-city, the booking flow does not give you that option and you are given the Standard fare.
So it is impossible to book an open jaw directly from KLM at the Light fare. Anyone disagree with how I have described it?
There is absolutely no benefit that I can see for anyone with elite status to book Standard over Light, as even silver status gives you an extra bag and free seat selection. To this means that KLM has collected a lot of money from elites who booked open-jaws on the KLM website, who received no benefit from having been forced into the Standard fare category.
Jan 26, 2022, 1:16 pm
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Another way of looking at it could be that KLM saved a lot of people from having to buy two one-ways by offering an open-jaw as a Standard fare. I'd agree that it would be much better if they would allow you to choose Light, but in the end standard is what they are offering. Its up to the pax to make that booking if they deem the offer worth the money (or not).
Jan 27, 2022, 9:19 am
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Then it must have changed since I've last booked there, at the time you could opt for fares with baggage, however that resulted in a light fare with ancillary bag instead of a classic fare. I know it created problem for me because I needed a classic fare for other reasons.
Jan 27, 2022, 11:15 am
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Then it must have changed since I've last booked there, at the time you could opt for fares with baggage, however that resulted in a light fare with ancillary bag instead of a classic fare. I know it created problem for me because I needed a classic fare for other reasons.
Jan 27, 2022, 11:25 am
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Another way of looking at it could be that KLM saved a lot of people from having to buy two one-ways by offering an open-jaw as a Standard fare. I'd agree that it would be much better if they would allow you to choose Light, but in the end standard is what they are offering. Its up to the pax to make that booking if they deem the offer worth the money (or not).
Jan 27, 2022, 12:11 pm
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Jan 27, 2022, 12:52 pm
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Is it a mistake that KLM gives a free bag with a standard fare, but charges $70 for the first checked bag with their standard plus fare?