Self-quarantine in netherlands
Nov 16, 2020, 8:49 am
#17
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Is this right? I was told that if I wanted to go to AMS for a meeting, I'd need to isolate for 10 days before I could attend the meeting but like everything, it does appear to have been advisory and not legally mandated.
I wonder if I could head over for a meeting next week, do what I need, then leave (within 48 hours) and it be all okay (on the Dutch side)?
I wonder if I could head over for a meeting next week, do what I need, then leave (within 48 hours) and it be all okay (on the Dutch side)?
Do yourself a favour and meet online.
Nov 16, 2020, 4:15 pm
#19
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Is this right? I was told that if I wanted to go to AMS for a meeting, I'd need to isolate for 10 days before I could attend the meeting but like everything, it does appear to have been advisory and not legally mandated.
I wonder if I could head over for a meeting next week, do what I need, then leave (within 48 hours) and it be all okay (on the Dutch side)?
I wonder if I could head over for a meeting next week, do what I need, then leave (within 48 hours) and it be all okay (on the Dutch side)?
at AMS there is not any sort of healty check once landed.That's not true...I've sent an email to Italian embassy in Den Haag, and they told me that the quarantine in Netherland is not mandatory, although strongly suggested.
Nov 17, 2020, 10:52 am
#20
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Is this right? I was told that if I wanted to go to AMS for a meeting, I'd need to isolate for 10 days before I could attend the meeting but like everything, it does appear to have been advisory and not legally mandated.
I wonder if I could head over for a meeting next week, do what I need, then leave (within 48 hours) and it be all okay (on the Dutch side)?
I wonder if I could head over for a meeting next week, do what I need, then leave (within 48 hours) and it be all okay (on the Dutch side)?
That said, many companies have strict corona policies banning people from visiting offices or attending real time meetings. If your meeting is with an individual who is fine with you not self isolating, no problem at all. But if its a corporate trip/visit to a governmental office/educational/NGO etc, you better check their guidelines and rules. They could well be more strict and firm than the government "advice".
Nov 17, 2020, 2:29 pm
#21
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That said, many companies have strict corona policies banning people from visiting offices or attending real time meetings. If your meeting is with an individual who is fine with you not self isolating, no problem at all. But if its a corporate trip/visit to a governmental office/educational/NGO etc, you better check their guidelines and rules. They could well be more strict and firm than the government "advice".
Nov 18, 2020, 1:40 am
#22
Join Date: Mar 2016
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This is exactly been my experience recently when visiting NL from abroad (within the kingdom). For many clients I’m visiting it is socially unacceptable to travel internationally, sometimes enforced by company guidelines, sometimes by the way they look at you 😀 Even though I’m getting tested every time in between travelling, more and more companies are avoiding in person meetings (at all or for travelers).
Nov 18, 2020, 3:00 am
#23
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Irrespective of travel, the government guidelines are "work from home unless no other way", I have some friends who haven't been to an office since around March because the company decided to shut down the office, and even some companies who have started to return to the office have shut down again end of September when the guidelines were changed.
I don't expect that to change any soon. Travel is completely dead, by the way, too. A client has been trying to make our top management to make an exception, no luck.
Nov 18, 2020, 3:38 am
#24
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I'm in a role that can be done 99% remotely but my preference would still be to go to the office, which I have done until end of September.
Sadly I agree that this isn't likely to change anytime soon, and with people not going to the office there is very little point in traveling as well.
Sadly I agree that this isn't likely to change anytime soon, and with people not going to the office there is very little point in traveling as well.
Dec 3, 2020, 8:08 am
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Guidelines issued today by the European Center for Disease Prevention and Control.
"Scientific evidence and information, presented and analysed in this document, give rise to the following key considerations:
- In the current epidemiological situation, where SARS-CoV-2 is established in all EU/EEA countries and the UK, imported cases account for a very small proportion of all detected cases and are unlikely to significantly increase the rate of transmission.
- The prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 in travellers is estimated likely to be lower than the prevalence in the general population or among contacts of confirmed cases.
- Travellers should not be considered as a high-risk population, nor treated as contacts of COVID-19 cases, unless they had been in known contact with a confirmed positive case.
- Travellers should be subject to the same regulations or recommendations as applied to the local population.
- Member States should always admit their own nationals and EU citizens and their family members resident in their territory, and should facilitate swift transit through their territories.
Decision makers are invited to consider the detailed epidemiological evidence that supports the options presented in this document acknowledging that:
- In the current epidemiological situation, quarantine or systematic testing for SARS-CoV-2 of air travellers is not recommended.
- Harmonisation among Member States is recommended based on the specific measures presented in this document."
In other words, cut out the crap and stop making up and implementing silly rules.
I'm confident that the politicians and their expert hangers-on will display their usual pig-headed perserverance and inability to admit their mistakes and therefore refuse to back down. Why drop the sledgehammer when you can keep on whacking the economy?
Johan
"Scientific evidence and information, presented and analysed in this document, give rise to the following key considerations:
- In the current epidemiological situation, where SARS-CoV-2 is established in all EU/EEA countries and the UK, imported cases account for a very small proportion of all detected cases and are unlikely to significantly increase the rate of transmission.
- The prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 in travellers is estimated likely to be lower than the prevalence in the general population or among contacts of confirmed cases.
- Travellers should not be considered as a high-risk population, nor treated as contacts of COVID-19 cases, unless they had been in known contact with a confirmed positive case.
- Travellers should be subject to the same regulations or recommendations as applied to the local population.
- Member States should always admit their own nationals and EU citizens and their family members resident in their territory, and should facilitate swift transit through their territories.
Decision makers are invited to consider the detailed epidemiological evidence that supports the options presented in this document acknowledging that:
- In the current epidemiological situation, quarantine or systematic testing for SARS-CoV-2 of air travellers is not recommended.
- Harmonisation among Member States is recommended based on the specific measures presented in this document."
In other words, cut out the crap and stop making up and implementing silly rules.
I'm confident that the politicians and their expert hangers-on will display their usual pig-headed perserverance and inability to admit their mistakes and therefore refuse to back down. Why drop the sledgehammer when you can keep on whacking the economy?
Johan
Dec 3, 2020, 11:09 am
#26
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I have a flight and transit in AMS next week but I haven't been able to get a clear answer from KLM, the Dutch embassy and the hotel. I arrive on Friday and my next flight is on Saturday, so I plan to stay at an airport hotel. The flights (DUB-AMS then AMS-PTY) are on two separate bookings so I will have to go out, pick up my bags and check in the next morning.
KLM said there will be no issue, as long as I complete the declaration form before arriving. The Dutch embassy said I should stay at a airside airport hotel so I qualify for the no-quarantine rule. The hotel itself has not commented on my booking.
Anyone had a similar experience recently?
KLM said there will be no issue, as long as I complete the declaration form before arriving. The Dutch embassy said I should stay at a airside airport hotel so I qualify for the no-quarantine rule. The hotel itself has not commented on my booking.
Anyone had a similar experience recently?
Dec 4, 2020, 6:56 am
#28
Join Date: Feb 2020
Posts: 134
I have a flight and transit in AMS next week but I haven't been able to get a clear answer from KLM, the Dutch embassy and the hotel. I arrive on Friday and my next flight is on Saturday, so I plan to stay at an airport hotel. The flights (DUB-AMS then AMS-PTY) are on two separate bookings so I will have to go out, pick up my bags and check in the next morning.
KLM said there will be no issue, as long as I complete the declaration form before arriving. The Dutch embassy said I should stay at a airside airport hotel so I qualify for the no-quarantine rule. The hotel itself has not commented on my booking.
Anyone had a similar experience recently?
KLM said there will be no issue, as long as I complete the declaration form before arriving. The Dutch embassy said I should stay at a airside airport hotel so I qualify for the no-quarantine rule. The hotel itself has not commented on my booking.
Anyone had a similar experience recently?
Dec 5, 2020, 8:35 am
#29
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: CPT,AMS
Posts: 4,410
Guidelines issued today by the European Center for Disease Prevention and Control.
"Scientific evidence and information, presented and analysed in this document, give rise to the following key considerations:
- In the current epidemiological situation, where SARS-CoV-2 is established in all EU/EEA countries and the UK, imported cases account for a very small proportion of all detected cases and are unlikely to significantly increase the rate of transmission.
- The prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 in travellers is estimated likely to be lower than the prevalence in the general population or among contacts of confirmed cases.
- Travellers should not be considered as a high-risk population, nor treated as contacts of COVID-19 cases, unless they had been in known contact with a confirmed positive case.
- Travellers should be subject to the same regulations or recommendations as applied to the local population.
- Member States should always admit their own nationals and EU citizens and their family members resident in their territory, and should facilitate swift transit through their territories.
Decision makers are invited to consider the detailed epidemiological evidence that supports the options presented in this document acknowledging that:
- In the current epidemiological situation, quarantine or systematic testing for SARS-CoV-2 of air travellers is not recommended.
- Harmonisation among Member States is recommended based on the specific measures presented in this document."
In other words, cut out the crap and stop making up and implementing silly rules.
I'm confident that the politicians and their expert hangers-on will display their usual pig-headed perserverance and inability to admit their mistakes and therefore refuse to back down. Why drop the sledgehammer when you can keep on whacking the economy?
Johan
"Scientific evidence and information, presented and analysed in this document, give rise to the following key considerations:
- In the current epidemiological situation, where SARS-CoV-2 is established in all EU/EEA countries and the UK, imported cases account for a very small proportion of all detected cases and are unlikely to significantly increase the rate of transmission.
- The prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 in travellers is estimated likely to be lower than the prevalence in the general population or among contacts of confirmed cases.
- Travellers should not be considered as a high-risk population, nor treated as contacts of COVID-19 cases, unless they had been in known contact with a confirmed positive case.
- Travellers should be subject to the same regulations or recommendations as applied to the local population.
- Member States should always admit their own nationals and EU citizens and their family members resident in their territory, and should facilitate swift transit through their territories.
Decision makers are invited to consider the detailed epidemiological evidence that supports the options presented in this document acknowledging that:
- In the current epidemiological situation, quarantine or systematic testing for SARS-CoV-2 of air travellers is not recommended.
- Harmonisation among Member States is recommended based on the specific measures presented in this document."
In other words, cut out the crap and stop making up and implementing silly rules.
I'm confident that the politicians and their expert hangers-on will display their usual pig-headed perserverance and inability to admit their mistakes and therefore refuse to back down. Why drop the sledgehammer when you can keep on whacking the economy?
Johan
https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwe...testverklaring
Dec 9, 2020, 11:45 am
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Sort of applies, and of course who knows what will change by late April, but we're scheduled to have a 9 hour layover in AMS returning to the US from a humanitarian trip to India. What are the odds we'd be able to leave the airport for a few hours downtown?