AMS-AUS Axed Before Launch?

Old Apr 12, 20, 6:11 pm
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Originally Posted by Atxtrav
Thanks for this thread. We are in a different situation because we really don't want to rebook. Bought tickets for the the family to take a summer cruise. Booked thru delta on DL/AF outbound and the KL nonstop AMS-AUS return.
The KL nonstop is no longer showing in the fare search but haven't yet got notification from DL.
These were KL business on return.
*We are hoping to get a refund rather than vouchers.*. I don't see us being able to take the kids anywhere in the same fare class anytime soon.
We had booked flight insurance thru Allianz via Delta.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out. It was 7k worth of tickets.
Since you booked through DL, I think you'll be eligible for a refund if you desire based on both the length any schedule change that will be reflected once it does update, per DL's policy, entitling you to a refund, as well as due to a change of carrier once you're rebooked onto a DL flight to get to AUS, per US DOT policy.

I got a pretty decent Z fare for Biz Class so I'm hoping to be able to rebook based on the schedule change but I may hold off making any changes in the immediate future to keep my options open, in case either wide-scale travel restrictions are still in effect or applicable US military specific travel restrictions prevent me from going - then I should be able to play the full refund (rather than voucher) card.
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Old Apr 12, 20, 7:51 pm
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These tickets may be cancelled for a full refund under both US DOT rules and EC 261/2004.

DL is really good about this and typically fairly quick about processing refunds. On the slim chance that it is not, if it has not initiated the refund within 7 days of your request, simply initiate a chargeback. Doubt it will come to that.
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Old Apr 13, 20, 2:02 pm
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Thanks for the replies. I guess I have to wait for DL to cancel it hasn't shown in my app yet. But the flight is gone from the system.

Too bad. Austin was going to be well served by this route.
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Old Apr 13, 20, 6:13 pm
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Originally Posted by Atxtrav
Thanks for the replies. I guess I have to wait for DL to cancel it hasn't shown in my app yet. But the flight is gone from the system.

Too bad. Austin was going to be well served by this route.
The change still isn't reflecting for my itinerary yet either. My guess is it probably won't update until at least Saturday, the next time the standard weekly schedule change sweeps run. Not to say it couldn't catch earlier than that - it's just my speculation.

If unsure which path you're going to go (changing to another flight versus taking a refund), you don't have to make any decision right away. Once you make any voluntary change to a new flight (this does not include "accepting" the new itinerary DL.com defaults to once it rebooks you), you have used your "1 free action" card and you won't be able to request a full refund later, as a result of the initial schedule change. At best, you'll now just be entitled to a full voucher due to the COVID-19 related policies. If you make a change and then there is another schedule change, you then regain the "1 free action" card, assuming the schedule change was enough to qualify.
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Old Apr 14, 20, 4:20 am
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(...) Given that the Union, Commission and Parliament have proven themselves completely useless and totally worthless in this crisis, they are probably desperate to prove to the public that they are at least doing something, no matter whether it makes any sense or not.(...) Johan
You are being very unfair with the EU. The EU it NOT a federal government and can only do what the treaties allows them to do.

For example, matters related to health policy are outside the scope of its powers. They can advise, not compel.

Furthermore, do you realise that the EU 2019 budget was 165 billion. This is what the national states agree to grant the EU. This is very little money compared to what the EU is responsible for and trying to achieve. There is far more red tape and waste in many EU countries than in the EU itself.

Each country has implemented national measures with little coordination; now things are slowly changing, thanks to the EU which is now trying to coordinate things but once again, it has little power or money. So it can only happen as countries start to realise than unity pays off.
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Old Apr 14, 20, 2:22 pm
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Furthermore, do you realise that the EU 2019 budget was 165 billion.
Yep, and if they didn't waste a third of that on CAP, they might even be able to do something useful with all that money.

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Old Apr 15, 20, 9:28 am
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Well my itinerary sort of updated. It still shows me on AUS-AMS, but now also shows me on one of the ATL-AMS legs, but shows no AUS-ATL leg to get to the ATL-AMS leg. I'm not worried at this point because I know DL will fix it once I call and because this will give me maximum flexibility, between either rescheduling or getting a full refund or possibly even including allowing me to switch to an option out of SAT but this is why I remarked earlier about wondering what was officially going on because I'm on an airline not known for its robust IT. (DL is also not known for being the best about notifying people for schedule changes - I learned very quickly one has to know to monitor their flights via the website because I frequently don't receive any email notifications regarding schedule changes).
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Old Apr 15, 20, 10:12 am
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Originally Posted by johan rebel
Yep, and if they didn't waste a third of that on CAP, they might even be able to do something useful with all that money.

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Hey!

The farmers need that money to fund their jetset lifestyles.
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Old Apr 15, 20, 11:21 am
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Hey!

The farmers need that money to fund their jetset lifestyles.
Can we please take discussions about EU budgets and where the money is spent and how it's spent over to OMNI where it belongs? Thanks.
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Old Apr 15, 20, 11:26 am
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Can we please take discussions about EU budgets and where the money is spent and how it's spent over to OMNI where it belongs? Thanks.
Sorry, but it's not as off-topic as you think.

It's a reference to other posts in a parallel thread about another "unlikely" North American route!

And it was (clearly, as I though!) intended as humour!

Does anyone know truly how profitable KLM's YEG-AMS route is?
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Old Apr 15, 20, 2:45 pm
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Originally Posted by johan rebel
Yep, and if they didn't waste a third of that on CAP, they might even be able to do something useful with all that money. Johan
Once again , "they" (i.e. the EU) spend the money where national governments tell them to. Don't blame the servants, blame the masters.

Anyhow, as ATOBTTR is suggesting, let's go back to aviation matters.
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Old Apr 15, 20, 5:18 pm
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Don't blame the servants, blame the masters.
The same masters who only the other day were busy fighting like cornered cats over those corona bonds? Good luck getting them to agree on anything!

European Union = oxymoron of the millenium.

OK, now back to AUS. Or AMS. Or somewhere in between!

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Old Apr 16, 20, 2:49 am
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AUS has now been pencilled in for the S21 schedule, commencing thrice-weekly (Monday, Thursday and Saturday) service as of 29 March 2021
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Old Apr 16, 20, 3:58 am
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Originally Posted by johan rebel
(...) Good luck getting them to agree on anything! (...)
They do everyday.

Back to travel related arguments : freedom of movement between Schengen countries, Eurocontrol, common currency for most countries, European Health Insurance card meaning you can fall sick in any EU member state and go to the local hospital, dentist or doctor and your are covered, abolition of custom checks when goods cross borders between member states, elimination of GSM roaming fees, capping of intra EU bank transfer fees to the same level as domestic ones, Frontex which is slowly emerging as a reliable force to help control external borders etc.

Many of those may need to be reviewed and can be improved, but how different would life be without them?

If you are old enough to remember travelling before 1992 in what is now called the European Union, you would remember what it meant to travel inside the EU.

There would be much more to tell, but as I said, let's stick to travel related arguments which belong to this forum.
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Old May 6, 20, 4:14 pm
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First flight to AUS now scheduled for March 29, 2021.

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