Oct 4, 2022, 1:44 am
Last edit by: b12e
Status as of 23 APR 24:
B787-10 Aircraft confirmed having PE seats installed:
B787-9 aircraft confirmed having PE seats installed:
B777-300 aircraft confirmed having new business class and PE seats installed:
B777-200 aircraft confirmed having new business class and PE seats installed (out of 15 total):
B787-10 Aircraft confirmed having PE seats installed:
- All B78X should now have the new PE seats
- Completed: PH-BKA, PH-BKC, PH-BKD, PH-BKF, PH-BKG, PH-BKH, PH-BKI, PH-BKK, PH-BKL, PH-BLM
- Seat map for the 787-10 including the new PE cabin: https://www.aerolopa.com/kl-781-3cl
B787-9 aircraft confirmed having PE seats installed:
- All B789 should now have the new PE seats
- Completed: PH-BHA, PH-BHC, PH-BHD, PH-BHE, PH-BHF, PH-BHG, PH-BHH, PH-BHI, PH-BHL, PH-BHM, PH-BHN, PH-BHO, PH-BHP
- Seat map for the 787-9 including the new PE cabin: https://www.aerolopa.com/kl-789-3cl
B777-300 aircraft confirmed having new business class and PE seats installed:
- Converted: PH-BVA, PH-BVB, PH-BVC, PH-BVD, PH-BVF, PH-BVG, PH-BVI, PH-BVK, PH-BVN, PH-BVO, PH-BVP, PH-BVR, PH-BVS, PH-BVV, PH-BVW
- Seat map for the 777-300ER including the new WBC and PE cabins: https://www.aerolopa.com/kl-773-3cl
- PH-BVU
B777-200 aircraft confirmed having new business class and PE seats installed (out of 15 total):
- Converted: none yet
- Seat map for the retrofit B772 with 3 class configuration: https://www.aerolopa.com/kl-772-3cl
- PH-BQA
- PH-BQB
- PH-BQC
- PH-BQD
- PH-BQE
- PH-BQF
- PH-BQG
- PH-BQH - Currently under modification
- PH-BQI
- PH-BQK
- PH-BQL
- PH-BQM
- PH-BQN
- PH-BQO
- PH-BQP
KLM to introduce 'real' premium economy
May 29, 2022, 1:10 am
#61
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Netherlands
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don't worry - cutlery are metal, no Greta influence here. It is the same one as you get in economy (or used to? have not flown Y for some time). Drinks are all served in the same glass as Business - but I doubt it will be those crystal ones.
May 29, 2022, 3:01 am
#62
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May 29, 2022, 6:50 am
#64
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There's really not too much mystery to Premium Economy pricing, just price out the routes you're interested in today. Enough other carriers (including every TATL JV partner) operate W cabins at this point that KL can't come up with their own pricing - they'll have to mostly follow the market. If anything, KL should drive down prices slightly by increasing capacity, at least until demand catches up.
May 29, 2022, 12:50 pm
#65
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May 30, 2022, 4:34 am
#66
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some additional info; first flight expected to be to JFK, july 26th . additional destinations for 2022 will be ORD/LAX/SFO/DEL/NBO/DAR/ZNZ/JRO; all operated by 787-10 as these will be retrofitted first (No changes to WBC) All aircraft see an enlarged eco comfort zone
Meal service with steel cutlery and cocktails etc before dinner. after dinner drinks available and a cocktail designed for PC class. Menu cards and comfort bag with focus on sustainability, eg bamboo wooden tootbrush iso plastic. Skyteam and KLM can offer finally Premium economy on all North Atlantic flights ..! Good choice
Meal service with steel cutlery and cocktails etc before dinner. after dinner drinks available and a cocktail designed for PC class. Menu cards and comfort bag with focus on sustainability, eg bamboo wooden tootbrush iso plastic. Skyteam and KLM can offer finally Premium economy on all North Atlantic flights ..! Good choice
Jun 12, 2022, 5:50 am
#68
Join Date: Oct 2016
Posts: 170
Do we have more info ?
Jun 13, 2022, 6:46 am
#69
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Overall looks an impressive product. The seat itself seems the same as new AF version I recently flew with to Toronto on the A350. But the meal service and headphones are a definite step up from AF. Those fancy paper bags from AF belie the horrible contents inside - they are like something from a McDonalds happy meal.
The effect may be that KLM cannibalizes some of the Group's own market share by attracting pax away from AF.
The effect may be that KLM cannibalizes some of the Group's own market share by attracting pax away from AF.
Jun 13, 2022, 1:21 pm
#70
Join Date: Oct 2016
Posts: 170
Overall looks an impressive product. The seat itself seems the same as new AF version I recently flew with to Toronto on the A350. But the meal service and headphones are a definite step up from AF. Those fancy paper bags from AF belie the horrible contents inside - they are like something from a McDonalds happy meal.
The effect may be that KLM cannibalizes some of the Group's own market share by attracting pax away from AF.
The effect may be that KLM cannibalizes some of the Group's own market share by attracting pax away from AF.
Jun 13, 2022, 1:27 pm
#71
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Jun 13, 2022, 2:50 pm
#72
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Overall looks an impressive product. The seat itself seems the same as new AF version I recently flew with to Toronto on the A350. But the meal service and headphones are a definite step up from AF. Those fancy paper bags from AF belie the horrible contents inside - they are like something from a McDonalds happy meal.
The effect may be that KLM cannibalizes some of the Group's own market share by attracting pax away from AF.
The effect may be that KLM cannibalizes some of the Group's own market share by attracting pax away from AF.
AF serves an upgraded meal for PE as the first/main course like what's pictured in the clip.
Jun 16, 2022, 6:19 am
#73
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I flew AF a couple of weeks ago and I was not impressed at all by the dedicated PE meals. They are basically regular economy meals in plastic boxes with a sticker saying Premium.
KLM's offering looks and should feel more premium.
KLM's offering looks and should feel more premium.
Jun 17, 2022, 1:41 am
#74
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Given the current experiences with KLM's catering in the catering thread, I wouldn't keep my hopes up. There's the risque we see the return of the pâtes/salmon followed by a refreshing green or orange smoothie 
All approved by Mme van Streun, of course.
All approved by Mme van Streun, of course.
Jun 28, 2022, 7:37 am
#75
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Nope, it has been delayed due to supplier issues, first flight now scheduled for August 27th (AMS-JFK). Premium tickets will only go on sale once a sufficient number of refurbished aircraft is available. Until then, last-minute (OLCI?) upgrades will be offered, presumably at a charge.
Johan
Johan