KLM reveals plane seat most likely to kill you in a crash

Old Jul 19, 19, 6:30 am
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KLM reveals plane seat most likely to kill you in a crash

KLM has really been on fire on Twitter this week!!




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An airline has apologised after tweeting information about where you are most likely to die on a plane if it crashes. KLM India has now removed the tweet which received a backlash online with many asking if it was appropriate. However, the airline tweeted saying: ĎWe would like to sincerely apologise for a recent update. The post was based on a publically available aviation fact, and isnít a @KLM opinion. It was never our intention to hurt anyoneís sentiments. The post has since been deleted.í According to studies the highest survival rate is towards the rear of the plane with 69 per cent living to tell their tale. However, there is disagreement about whether the middle or front is most dangerous.

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Old Jul 19, 19, 2:08 pm
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Has a plane seat ever killed anyone?


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I thought the back of the plane being more survivable, statistically, has been general knowledge for years.
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Iím surprised theyíre saying the middle is most dangerous though? I thought the addition of structure in the wings meant they were somewhat safer? Such that rear>middle>front?
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When combined with a crash - yes!!!
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Iím surprised theyíre saying the middle is most dangerous though? I thought the addition of structure in the wings meant they were somewhat safer? Such that rear>middle>front?
Structually speaking the area over the wing is the strongest, yes, however you're also closest to the fuel tanks.
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Structually speaking the area over the wing is the strongest, yes, however you're also closest to the fuel tanks.
yeah respect that. Not sure itís something that can be studied as such but apparently that 727 that they remotely crashed in the desert a couple of years ago supports my conclusion

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/t...n-an-aircraft/

also the apparent post crash analysis of FAA data says the same thing

https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry...Zaom1xrQmbwByV
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yeah respect that. Not sure itís something that can be studied as such but apparently that 727 that they remotely crashed in the desert a couple of years ago supports my conclusion

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/t...n-an-aircraft/

also the apparent post crash analysis of FAA data says the same thing

https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry...Zaom1xrQmbwByV
It very much depends on the circumstances, as is indicated in both articles. If the fuselage is ripped to pieces it is likely to occur close to the wing so if that happens to be your row you're sol even though the rows right before and after you may survive. In the TK crash the back was not a good place to be.
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Awww....I was waiting for an update to the the old joke about seats at the back being the safest... "Ever heard of a plane backing in to a mountain?"
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Sounds like they hired a social media intern. Good lesson learned there, I am sure.
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Data parsing??

Things that count
Were the G loads survivable else internal injuries themselves are often fatal
Did the plane break up after hitting the ground? Survivors often escape through breeches in the fuselage
What part of the plane hit the ground first (nose, wings,tail ?)
Did the fuselage turn upside down?
Did you read the seat card and turn your head looking for exits earlier.?
remember the flight you were on once where having arrived late at the gate the people in the back of coach rushed forward trampling all in their way, Well a survivable crash will be worse
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Yeah I donít know that itís particularly amenable to very simple statistical analysis anyway. SU recently the back of the plane had a 100% fatality rate. I suppose itís good to get people talking about aviation safety though? Maybe?
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Sounds like they hired a social media intern. Good lesson learned there, I am sure.
Everyone knows interns should be employed in the pricing department.

AT least, that's where Alitalia puts them!!!
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Yeah I don’t know that it’s particularly amenable to very simple statistical analysis anyway. SU recently the back of the plane had a 100% fatality rate. I suppose it’s good to get people talking about aviation safety though? Maybe?
A documentary I watched a few years ago decided that rather than worrying about whether you're at the front, the middle, or the back, the most important thing that determines whether you walk off a survivable plane crash is your distance from an emergency exit. The further away you are from an exit (which, of course, must be usable, otherwise it's no good), the lower your chances of survival. Count the number of rows between you and the exit so you can count your way there under any circumstances, and know the correct "brace" position for the plane and seat type. Lower limb injuries, or leg breaks, can occur even if you adopt the correct brace position, which further impedes your chances of escape. The G forces upon impact can be severe and legs will flail and knees/ankles/shins fracture or break upon impact with either your seat or the seat in front, especially if you are not expecting this to happen; you should be pressing your feet heavily into the floor for impact.

Of course, it's not the bone fractures that kill you directly; but the impediment to your quick escape is what seals your fate.

(Seat choice, of course, makes no difference in an unsurvivable crash)

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Old Jul 20, 19, 4:32 pm
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A documentary I watched a few years ago decided that rather than worrying about...
Never knew that documentaries made decisions, but I'd rather not worry, full stop.

The chance of being involved in a serious plane crash is so small that I'm not going to waste my time agonizing about it.

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The G forces upon impact can be severe
Really? Seriously? Who would have thought . . . ?

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