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Grouchy Apr 16, 2018 11:34 am

They are making process, i've had zone: FRNT for an 1D seat. Then they all ignored it, good old SP was called, pax that needed more time but no FRNT.

George Moore Apr 18, 2018 1:46 pm

I had this on BHX - AMS last week... Seat 3A but boarding zone 'REAR'... Either way, SkyPri makes everything better ;)

FlyingScientist Apr 21, 2018 6:15 am

Zone REAR appears to be a synonym to "passenger cabin". :D

johan rebel Apr 21, 2018 7:14 am


Originally Posted by FlyingScientist (Post 29667030)
Zone REAR appears to be a synonym to "passenger cabin". :D

Which makes Zone FRNT what? The lav right behind the cockpit?

Johan

FlyingScientist Apr 21, 2018 11:13 am


Originally Posted by johan rebel (Post 29667144)
Which makes Zone FRNT what? The lav right behind the cockpit?

Johan

The cockpit. :D

johan rebel Apr 24, 2018 2:24 pm

No mention of any zone whatsoever on my boarding card today, yet they decided to board through two doors.

Hard to tell whether is was a success, or worth the effort. It took four guys to lay out the route on the apron and to cordon it off, and the gate was manned by as many agents. After parents with infants and UMs boarded, they first spent six minutes setting everything up, plastering yellow signs with arrows and row numbers all over the gate and jetway, making lengthy announcements in English and Dutch, etc., before priorty boarding finally commenced, 11 minutes later than announced on the screens.

Once they got going, however, they did manage to board the aircraft in 13 minutes (a 737-700 with 142 seats and 131 pax) and we pushed back at STD-1.

Johan

Mirk Apr 24, 2018 4:46 pm


Originally Posted by johan rebel (Post 29679450)
Once they got going, however, they did manage to board the aircraft in 13 minutes (a 737-700 with 142 seats and 131 pax) and we pushed back at STD-1.

Johan

Some Asian carriers manage to board an A380 in that amount of time but for KLM that's not bad :)

ticino Apr 24, 2018 11:20 pm

I saw this in Stockholm in February or March and I thought it was a Swedish thing because it was so awful. Designed to make people suffer. Took pictures and sent it to friends. Avoid KLM.

Those sitting from rows 15 and back where forced to board through the rear door, so they had to to go down a stairway into the tarmac, walk to the back of the plane, and then climb the stairs to the rear door. It was -7 degrees outside and very windy (17 knots). The last passengers also got to taste some snow.

Never been so happy to be sitting on the front, but maybe that is what KLM wants, make it a lot worse for those sitting on the back so that more will buy comfort seats. I really can't believe forcing passengers to take a longer and more difficult way to get to the plane will save time.

johan rebel Apr 25, 2018 2:34 am


Originally Posted by Mirk (Post 29679915)
Some Asian carriers manage to board an A380 in that amount of time but for KLM that's not bad :)

Saw an Emirates A380 parked at an E gate at AMS yesterday. They must have had a lot of fun!


Originally Posted by ticino (Post 29680850)
It was -7 degrees outside and very windy (17 knots). The last passengers also got to taste some snow.

Gate agents at AMS have assured me that rear door boarding will not be used in inclement weather.

Althought the weather conditions you describe would probably have brought AMS to a griding halt for an entire day, they are not that unusual by Swedish standards.


Originally Posted by ticino (Post 29680850)
they had to to go down a stairway into the tarmac, walk to the back of the plane, and then climb the stairs to the rear door

All the announcements yesterday specifically mentioned that all pax who felt uncomfortable using stairs were welcome to board via the jetway.


Originally Posted by ticino (Post 29680850)
I really can't believe forcing passengers to take a longer and more difficult way to get to the plane will save time.

Airlines such as Norwegian do this wherever they can, I see it all the time at e.g. CPH. The logical conclusion is that it must work for them. Whether KLM will ever get the hang of it is another matter.

Johan

Fabo.sk Apr 25, 2018 10:28 pm

Just boarded a mainline plane at D gates.

No mention of zones at all, all boarding through the jetway.

johan rebel Jul 9, 2018 10:50 am

Arriving at AMS last week, pax both doors were used for disembarkation. Apart from the fact that we arrived a few minutes late, and that the aircraft was a full 739, I can't think of any reason why. At least as far as I could see, ours was the only flight at the concourse using this procedure.

Everything was set up prior to our arrival, and the whole process was very efficient.

Last month, aft stairs were used for boarding at CPH, but only after a long argument between the gate agents. One of them asked her colleague to set up the jetway for two-door boarding, wherupon a third agent, apparently the supervisor, said that this was not done by KL at CPH. The first agent protested that arriving pax had just disembarded via the aft stairs, and that she had boarded several KL flights that way previously, but the supervisor would not give in. The agent then called somebody in charge, who confirmed that it was fine to board via the aft stairs, as long as the weather was OK and they had the necessary resources available. Even then the supervisor would not relent, but in the end he was finally overruled by somebody.

Johan


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