Mess in Amsterdam today

Old Jul 26, 19, 11:22 am
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Old Jul 26, 19, 1:12 pm
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Originally Posted by Xandrios View Post
I'm leaning towards that they should have been able to have multiple/independent systems. Not just for redundancy, but having multiple (competing) sources for fuel may even drive down the price somewhat.
The entity that supplies fuel at AMS is a joint venture between KLM and five oil companies. So zero redundancy, but the airlines are presumably free to buy kerosine from any of the five participation suppliers.

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Or is it not applicable as this was an airport issue and not a KLM issue?
Given that KLM partially owns the company that provides refueling services at AMS, one could argue that it acually is a KLM issue, whereas all other airlines get away scot-free.

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Old Jul 27, 19, 1:48 am
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Still minor delays today. 30-60 mins on several AMS flights. Now we just have to wait for the stormy weather that often comes after a heat wave.
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Old Jul 27, 19, 2:58 am
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Originally Posted by KLBGO View Post
Still minor delays today. 30-60 mins on several AMS flights.
Isn't that justthe new normal?


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Old Jul 27, 19, 2:52 pm
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Two full screens were red with delays this morning.
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Old Aug 9, 19, 1:25 pm
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AMS is at it again, this time with another refueling disruption halting all traffic! They really are on a roll there..

https://nltimes.nl/2019/08/09/schiph...eling-problems
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Old Aug 9, 19, 2:16 pm
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Moment systems were (partially) up again a thunderstorm was nearby, which halted the ground operations. KLM says their 83 delayed flights should all leave tonight.
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Old Aug 9, 19, 2:27 pm
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Originally Posted by Erwin10 View Post
Moment systems were (partially) up again a thunderstorm was nearby, which halted the ground operations. KLM says their 83 delayed flights should all leave tonight.
Ouch, really not the luckiest of days for AMS!

I doubt however if KL can pull this off as I believe there are ATC restrictions and late evening/midnight departures are not allowed?
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Old Aug 9, 19, 3:23 pm
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Schiphol got allowance by the Dutch Human Environment and Transport Inspectorate to have two runways open this night (instead of one) to cover up the inbound and outbound delays.
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Old Aug 9, 19, 5:40 pm
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Originally Posted by Erwin10 View Post
Schiphol got allowance by the Dutch Human Environment and Transport Inspectorate to have two runways open this night (instead of one) to cover up the inbound and outbound delays.
So glad I got out of there two days ago
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Old Aug 10, 19, 12:45 am
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Just one single KL flight scheduled after 8 p.m. yesterday was not delayed. On the other hand, only half a dozen were canceled.

Schiphol should be in for fun and games today, they are forecasting a severe southwesterly gale with gusts up to 100 kph. Winds are only expected to abate somewhat during the evening.

Let's see if the boards turn crimson.

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Old Aug 11, 19, 2:59 am
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At least AMS ZRH ending up being cancelled....

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Moment systems were (partially) up again a thunderstorm was nearby, which halted the ground operations. KLM says their 83 delayed flights should all leave tonight.
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Old Aug 14, 19, 6:46 am
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I'm not sure it belongs in this thread, but at the moment (14.08 at 14.45) schiphol.nl appears to be down.
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Old Aug 15, 19, 3:20 am
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Originally Posted by malmostoso View Post
I'm not sure it belongs in this thread...
The very beauty of this thread is that it transcends individual issues and has a recurrent and atemporal relevance.
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