irishguy28

But this would help you when navigating the large distances between gates at Schiphol

Particularly now that many of the travelators are out of service at any one time!

johan rebel

I sense a business opportunity here for all those companies renting out e-scooters.

If they can make any number of cities unsafe for pedestrians, success at AMS is guaranteed.

Johan

pjhartog

To do justice to the title of this thread, today they towed an Easyjet plane into one of KLM....

https://www.telegraaf.nl/nieuws/2084...te-op-schiphol

arjen05

The article states it was the other way around, so the KLM plane towed into one of Easyjet.

Concerto

Interesting view. I have got so fed up the Lufthansa monopoly, the dire state of Miles & More, the crapification of service on Lufthansa Group airlines, that I have gone over to Air France KLM. I think it is easier to maintain status on FB, once you've got it, than it is on M&M. I'm generally pretty happy at AFKL, as an elite plus I think one is treated ok.

And I am clearly lucky: I haven't been bedeviled by the mess in Amsterdam yet. So far I seem to have avoided most irrops and delays.

Lawrious

I think they both 'pushedback' into one another? It's ground's fault on the radio to be honest.

Xandrios

Slightly offtopic, but I was not specifically talking about M&M. In fact I'm not a member of that programme so I wouldn't really know. I'm using A3 FFP and I do think that its similar to FB regarding (re)qualification..I find it quite easy to maintain.

I'd agree that with KLM things are OK. Nothing extremely bad, nothing great. I don't like the nickle-and-dime culture that is starting to develop, and the food on medium-haul does not compare well to other airlines...but the fare pricing is what generally makes me choose *A. KLM is often massively more expensive than other airlines on the same routes...at least the ones I often fly.
Another thing is upgrading an European economy fare on KLM for example: It will be hundreds of euros, or, ~100 euro at check in if you are lucky. With LX you can 'add on' a business upgrade for 2 legs, at time of booking, for ~70 euro. Which includes increased mileage. That I like...and it is something that AFKL cannot beat in my opinion.

irishguy28

Yes, it happened during pushback of both planes - which is a very different thing than saying that one or both planes was/were towed (= pulled forward) into the other!

johan rebel

I enjoyed the new normal at AMS last week.

The weather at both ends was fine, the incoming aircraft was a few minutes early, pax boarded in good time, yet due to "congestion" we pushed back 15 minutes late. An optimistic captain announced we would make up for lost time, and then just before arrival gave us some more good news: we would have a very short taxi to our gate. Hmm . . .

We landed on 36R, did a u-turn to the D-gates, and came to a full stop. A KLM 737 and a Delta 777 had just been pushed back in such a way that both would have to taxi out all the way around the remote E stands. They were also positioned in such a way that they completely blocked access to seven vacant gates while they spooled up their engines etc.. A tug towing a KL 777 to one of those gates was blocked on the one side, we on the other. Couldn't see how many planes were behind us.

Needless to say, we ended up with a longer delay than on departure, not making up for it.

AMS is a chronic mess.

Johan

Lawrious

Ouch, not good now that we are coming up to busy holiday periods.

Although, despite the busy Schengen gates for my flights on Sunday (HUY-AMS-VCE), and my very tight 40 minute connection, my baggage happened to arrive with me all okay. I honestly thought that it would not make it given the recent AMS baggage fiasco.

Concerto

Real shame about the mess, delays and silly things like the Delta plane and the tug blocking the way. I find KLM very useful for connecting to regional destinations in the UK.

malmostoso

And here is a recording of the incident from the tower. They thought easyJet was leaving from an M gate...

irishguy28

Although the Easyjet pilot/groundhandler calls in immediately before the clearance for pushback is given reporting his gate as D25...

caliform

While unfortunate, I wouldn't call it a mess. Accidents happen. I've been through the airport a half dozen times in the last few weeks and it was pretty fine. Regular secondaries for my camera gear (as is the norm), but on-time departures.

johan rebel

The Buitenveldertbaan (09/27) is closed for maintenance this week.

I assume the airport has good reasons for picking the busy summer season to do this.

Johan