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It would be good to know what the average real percentage is of SkyPriority eligible passengers per flight.
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Originally Posted by haggis79
(Post 19398970)
+2 - just do it the way DL does for quite some time now (Elites board first, after general boarding has started, there is a dedicated SkyPriority lane). Works perfectly for me.
Only problem is that if you are late, there is no space in the overhead bin, that's why I usually choose to board early. (You can't have it both ways) Main reasons for me are not having to wait in line and finding enough space for carry on (never check any luggage if I can avoid it) But, as many others already stated, I think the problem is not in the system but in the enforcement (or rather lack of it) in many instances - e.g. last week in VIE there was no Priority lane. |
I think - overall - that AMS boarding (especially at B) has improved immensely after the introduction of the metal barriers to keep priority separated from the others. in 8 of 10 times pax have been informed by the GA what line was for whom and pre-checked BP's before letting anyone through ^
Out stations are bit different where both lines open at the same time so not much priority. Why is priority boarding valuable to you: - not having to stand in line; - being sure you there is enough space left on board for your hand luggage; Would you rather board as one of the first (which means you have to be at the gate on time, before boarding starts) or board later, using the priority lane to pass the queue? Same answer as Goldorak : both board first if you are at the gate when boarding starts or, if you arrive later, board using the priority lane to pass the queue Which scenario would you prefer: The current boarding process (implemented correctly) starting with priority boarding for premium customers and boarding other passengers after that. |
So KL first introduce priority boarding and then they ask us what we want it to be? Good thing they haven't started enforcing the rules, otherwise the rules couldn't be changed or introduced in the first place...
Priority boarding, in its simplest form is a separate queue which is held open. First board all pax in the separate queue ie not both at the same time. Then, only if there is no one in the priority queue board the normal pax. Any late arrivals in the priority queue will be boarded ahead of the normal queue. And, to make it all work, send people back from the weong queue to the right one. If Easyjet can make it work, so should KL. While we are at it, enforcement means also at the holding aeas for the D gates. And how about a separate bus - but only when boarding starts, cannot keep the bus jntil all prriority pax have boarded of course. |
main reason for priority boarding:
be sure to have enough overhead space Execute the DL system with a separate SP queue and don't start boarding the regular line when there are still SP pax waiting. SP line should stay open during regular boarding for elite pax arriving late. And while on it, at gates where after BP check you have to wait in a waiting room before actually boarding the plane, the whole exercise is completely useless when you don't offer priority boarding at the actual door when entering the plane. The way from the BP control to the actual gate is usually completely jammed by regular pax. It's all about execution! For me, the 2 major E+ benefits are lounge access and priority boarding (if not OLCI, I'd add priority check-in). |
My answers:
Priority boarding is valuable for all of the three reasons mentioned: - not having to stand in line - being among the first to board - being sure you there is enough space left on board for your hand luggage The most important for me is not having to stand in line, but the problem of hand luggage is growing. It is unbelievable how much some passengers take with them and how much space some trolleys effectively take up. For all their faults, Lufthansa does a much better job in collecting oversized hand luggage consistently before boarding. The implementation of priority boarding is very different among airports. As others, I have found CPH particularly bad at this, except for the one time (14/9 in the afternoon) when there was a team from KLM watching Novia from baggage drop-off to boarding the plane. This, coincidentally, was also the only time where the drop-off point functioned as it should, often me queuing up seems to be a sign for other (clearly non-status) pax to jump in front of me in the priority line. I guess I don't look like a status pax :) I would not start boarding by rows unless status passengers can still board at any time. |
Firstly, I appreciate KLM asking these questions.
Originally Posted by KLM
Would you rather board as one of the first (which means you have to be at the gate on time, before boarding starts) or board later, using the priority lane to pass the queue?
Being sure of space for hand baggage can also be important, although this varies with aircraft type and load factor, as well as with what I am carrying. I can generally fit my carry-on under the seat in a 737 or E190, so I can afford to board late - but if I need more space for some reason, then I want to be amongst the first to board, to be sure of finding such space.
Originally Posted by KLM
Which scenario would you prefer:
The current boarding process (implemented correctly) starting with priority boarding for premium customers and boarding other passengers after that; A perhaps more efficient boarding process (e.g. boarding in rows from back to front) without priority boarding. If KLM think they can make the overall boarding process more efficient (see here for some research on the topic), then that's great - but priority boarding for premium pax should still be maintained on top of any new system for regular pax, rather than removed.
Originally Posted by Gajan
(Post 19399527)
In my opinion there is a significant difference between certain gates (at AMS for example):
C-gates, where security is not done at gate. Most gates have a dedicated line for SkyPriority. Failure to implement is due to gate agent (start SP line same time as regular line, do not check who is in line etc); Non-Schenen D-gates, security at the gate makes SkyPriority difficult to enforce as you have to cut in line. Once in holding pen, it if normally free for all; Long-haul gates normally have a dedicated line before the holding pen. Once boarding is started it is normally free for all (i.e. failure to implement due to gate agent) (not applicable for this discussion, but worth noting). Non-Schengen-D is much more problematic, due to the security check at the gate, where it really is not easy to push in, even if there is a priority sign. Of course, there is then the situation at all the different outstations... The ideal is having a lounge near the gate, and a specific boarding call for premium pax just before the gate closes. However, this isn't possible everywhere, of course. I suspect part of the problem is that although premium pax travel a lot, and therefore tend to know which services they are entitled to, and where to find them; most non-premium pax do not fly much (by definition), and therefore may be honestly unsure about when they are supposed to board, or which queue they can use. The solution to this is both to present clear information (on written signboards, and in boarding announcements, etc), and to have GAs who are willing to enforce the rules.
Originally Posted by KLM
Do you have any creative suggestions for improving the (priority) boarding process?
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KLM requests your input regarding Priority Boarding
LOL DYKWIA bag tags by the airline! :D
But then you get the issue if you should give the tags to FB Silver/ST Elite, they aren't SP but do get priority boarding. |
Ok I'm having some thoughts about the various situations, mostly because of the gate layout.
With Schengen flights, I think it's simple: two lanes with one being SP. The SP line should have been cleared before the 'normal' lane is processed and the SP lane has to be open at all times during boarding. Now for the flights where security is done at the gate. The current situation, I see, is something like this: (based on F gate) http://imageshack.us/a/img222/6852/situation1.png SP pax can use the SP lane (red arrow) from the pier (#1) to bypass the normal row (green arrow) until security. After that, there is the BP scanning (#2). There is a so called Premium pax area but that isn't enforced. So when the actual boarding is announced, it's a free for all with no one checking who gets onboard first. (it still amazes me a GA stands with a SkyPriority sign in her hands in front of the jetway and seeing 400 pax come all at once and just stand there in ignorance). So my idea is the following: have the premium area (#4) cordoned of with someone checking credentials for SP pax and let only eligible pax in the premium area. So there should be a division between #3 and #4 like this: http://imageshack.us/a/img441/7310/situation2.png So then, when boarding starts, you first clear the SP pax area, and then open the division to board the rest at leisure or maybe by row. Feasible? (And pardon my drawing skills :D ) |
To make the gate agents life easier they could have different coloured boarding passes for SKyPriority passengers (like Cathay Pacific has). This may not be of help for those who do home-print.
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Originally Posted by KLflyerRalph
(Post 19406630)
LOL DYKWIA bag tags by the airline! :D
Originally Posted by KLflyerRalph
(Post 19406630)
But then you get the issue if you should give the tags to FB Silver/ST Elite, they aren't SP but do get priority boarding.
Originally Posted by Gajan
(Post 19407301)
To make the gate agents life easier they could have different coloured boarding passes for SKyPriority passengers (like Cathay Pacific has). This may not be of help for those who do home-print.
I suggested handbaggage tags, as nearly everyone has some kind of carry-on with them, and KL already seem to be generally fairly good at getting their yellow tags on everyone's hand baggage. However, it could be something else instead: coloured boarding card, DYKWIA hat, special SkyPriority walking cane, whatever... :) (Not that I'm trying to cultivate a DYKWIA attitude, of course - but if certain pax are entitled to priority treatment, I think it's actually easier all round if everyone can recognise that, rather than, for example, having to cut in the front of the security queue at a non-Schengen-D-gate, just waving an E+ FF card and saying "I'm SkyPriority", which I think a lot of people feel too uncomfortable to do). Ideally, whatever this 'SkyPriority marker' is, it would be standardised across SkyTeam, not just KLM (otherwise someone say, transferring at Schiphol from an ST, but non-KL flight to a KL flight wouldn't have the right marker). |
KLM requests your input regarding Priority Boarding
Transfer pax are a 'problem' and also people who do OLCI and not go via regular check-in if you want to give a special tag. Same for a different colour BP.
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Originally Posted by KLflyerRalph
(Post 19407632)
Transfer pax are a 'problem' and also people who do OLCI and not go via regular check-in if you want to give a special tag. Same for a different colour BP.
If you do not have SkyPriority, your boardingpass will not let you pass. This will make things a lot easier to maintain. |
I am glad to see that pretty much everyone agrees on this topic :)
Originally Posted by KLM
(Post 19393121)
Why is priority boarding valuable to you:
not having to stand in line; being among the first to board; being sure you there is enough space left on board for your hand luggage; ... Important: Not having to stand in line Being among the first to board: I couldnt care less as long as I am sure that there will be bin space available. Seat numbers are fixed anyway so I do not find it important to be the first to board. In fact, I'd prefer to wait it out (in the lounge?) as the hours afterwards I'd be cramped in that seat anyway :)
Originally Posted by KLM
(Post 19393121)
Would you rather board as one of the first (which means you have to be at the gate on time, before boarding starts) or board later, using the priority lane to pass the queue?
Which scenario would you prefer: The current boarding process (implemented correctly) starting with priority boarding for premium customers and boarding other passengers after that; A perhaps more efficient boarding process (e.g. boarding in rows from back to front) without priority boarding. Boarding from the back to the front is still something that can be used for economy passenger in parallel to Priority boarding.
Originally Posted by KLM
(Post 19393121)
Do you have any creative suggestions for improving the (priority) boarding process?
- Boarding passes are printed with black ink on existing (colored) paper stock. The machines / robots needs to be able to hold two different color BP stock in order to print both normal and Elite ones. I doubt this is feasible as currently they only hold 1 as far as I know. - Colored luggage tags: Yes great idea. Probably easy to do as well. However most people do not get their bags tagged. I almost never do as I do not check luggage (thus do not pass by the check in desk). - An extra BP scan/check to enter a separate area would be nice, however it will require extra personnel. Not sure if that is an option. Automatic unmanned gates will be confusing to other passengers who will try to enter too. All in all I am not unhappy about the current setup for priority boarding, taking the C gates as an example. As long as the GA enforces the policies properly I find it fairly easy to enter the plane among the first, granted I arrive within the first minutes of boarding. When arriving later overhead space is a huge problem though. So if something can be found for that problem..that would be very good. I doubt such thing exist though. Without drastically lowering the max-carry-on sizes and strictly enforcing them at least. |
Originally Posted by lowestpaidsap
(Post 19407825)
Originally Posted by KLflyerRalph
(Post 19407632)
Transfer pax are a 'problem' and also people who do OLCI and not go via regular check-in if you want to give a special tag. Same for a different colour BP.
If you do not have SkyPriority, your boardingpass will not let you pass. This will make things a lot easier to maintain. |
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