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Originally Posted by nerd
(Post 35404279)
So the airline industry folded in half when the 6 majors merged, but what's keeping us from a competitive market are AA/B6 codeshares in the Northeast.
Glad the DOT has got our back. George W Bush administration: NW/DL merger: 10/29/2008 Barack Obama administration: CO/UA merger: 10/01/2010 AA/US merger: 11/12/2013 |
Originally Posted by salut0
(Post 35404331)
Is there a difference among administrations as to whether mergers get approved? I’ve collated these dates but I’d be interested to see the data further back for other airline mergers too:
George W Bush administration: NW/DL merger: 10/29/2008 Barack Obama administration: CO/UA merger: 10/01/2010 AA/US merger: 11/12/2013 W Bush Administration: - TW/AA merger: April 2001 - US/HP merger: September 2005 Obama Administration: - FL/WN merger: May 2011 - VS/AS merger: December 2016 Most of the big US airline consolidation occurred post-9/11 in the Bush and Obama administrations at about an equal rate. No airline mergers (if you don’t count regionals) closed under the Trump administration and so far none have closed under the Biden Administration (with NK/B6 pending lawsuit). |
Originally Posted by samwise6222
(Post 35388928)
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/05/jetb...rtnership.html
Jetblue said it will begin unwinding its alliance with AA to focus on Spirit acquisition. |
Originally Posted by MCO Flyer
(Post 35404603)
Some more mergers and the administration they were approved under:
W Bush Administration: - TW/AA merger: April 2001 - US/HP merger: September 2005 Obama Administration: - FL/WN merger: May 2011 - VS/AS merger: December 2016 Most of the big US airline consolidation occurred post-9/11 in the Bush and Obama administrations at about an equal rate. No airline mergers (if you don’t count regionals) closed under the Trump administration and so far none have closed under the Biden Administration (with NK/B6 pending lawsuit). |
does this affect the reciprocal benefits? I have AA gold and an awards flight on Jet Blue booked in December- will I still get the AA benefits? (really all I care about is the access to premium economy and the mosaic check in line since it is close to Christmas.
Along these lines- since these are award tickets- is there any benefit of adding my wife and daughter's AA number to the reservation? We don't fly jetblue much, and would rather have the few AA miles the flight earns. |
Originally Posted by samwise6222
(Post 35388928)
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/05/jetb...rtnership.html
Jetblue said it will begin unwinding its alliance with AA to focus on Spirit acquisition. Alaska has also been grumpy about the whole NEA after the scuffle between both B6 and AS trying to buy VX, so you can't even book the B6 flights that are AA codeshares with Alaska miles (nor get mileage credit for AA metal on B6 stock), even when it would otherwise be straightforward. |
Originally Posted by Scotttyd
(Post 35418663)
does this affect the reciprocal benefits? I have AA gold and an awards flight on Jet Blue booked in December- will I still get the AA benefits? (really all I care about is the access to premium economy and the mosaic check in line since it is close to Christmas.
Along these lines- since these are award tickets- is there any benefit of adding my wife and daughter's AA number to the reservation? We don't fly jetblue much, and would rather have the few AA miles the flight earns. |
Originally Posted by TravellingChris
(Post 35417303)
What happens if the Spirit deal doesn't get approval? B6 is sacrificing the AA alliance to improve its chances of getting the NK transaction over the line. But isn't there a risk to B6's strategy that it winds up with neither the Northeast Alliance nor the Spirit acquisition?
Originally Posted by billatq
(Post 35419994)
I think this is actually a good thing. There's less capacity available in the markets served by both airlines and thus less room for things to go wrong. Take BOS-DCA as an example, when there's a weather issue, neither B6 nor AA really want to put you on the other's aircraft, so you'll often get stuck waiting longer than you would have otherwise.
Alaska has also been grumpy about the whole NEA after the scuffle between both B6 and AS trying to buy VX, so you can't even book the B6 flights that are AA codeshares with Alaska miles (nor get mileage credit for AA metal on B6 stock), even when it would otherwise be straightforward. -J. |
Originally Posted by GW McLintock
(Post 35420120)
JetBlue's M.O. has always been ready, fire, aim. If the Spirit deal doesn't go through, there won't be a JetBlue in 10 years from now. I am pretty sure the DOJ can figure this out too, and I'm sure will ask for a boatload of concessions.
IIRC AS had nothing to do with this. The NEA was only allowed between AA and B6 metal; AA could never have dragged AS into the mix and vice versa, even if AS wasn't grumpy. -J. |
Originally Posted by billatq
(Post 35420220)
That's true, but points for a flight on AA metal (but B6 stock instead of any other stock) can't be credited to AS, or at least couldn't in my testing. For booking flights, AA couldn't drag AS into it, but this meant that there were fewer options for me to book as AA ramped down their own flights in favor of B6 flights in some places.
-J. |
Originally Posted by GW McLintock
(Post 35420329)
They never could. AS was specifically excluded.
-J. So in the case that I tested, there were the following conditions:
Perhaps this is because I've made some strange things work, such as ticketing United flights on Delta stock and then getting credit, but admittedly those don't have codeshares and are different arrangements. |
You need to keep in mind that AS and AA are in the OneWorld alliance where that alliance dictates how miles are credited. OneWorld's rule is that the marketing carrier determines the earning.
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Originally Posted by billatq
(Post 35419999)
Dunno about the AA side, but on the B6 side, they sent out a mail a few days ago saying that you'd get B6 credit on AA flights as long as the number was added to the booking no later than July 20, 2023. I wouldn't expect to get reciprocal benefits otherwise, but I'd suspect that you can use the premium security line at most airports if you flash your AA frequent flyer card.
Frequent Flyer. On July 21, 2023, Defendants will terminate the ability to redeem frequent flyer miles for travel on each other’s airline (i.e., AA passengers will no longer be able to use AAdvantage miles to book seats on JetBlue flights). Tickets purchased with miles (mileage redemption) by July 20 will be honored by the airlines. This was publicly announced on July 14. Consumers may continue to accrue frequent flyer benefits, including mileage accrual for tickets purchased or issued by July 20, through January 31, 2024. Each Defendant may enable travelers to continue to accrue benefits through its respective frequent flyer program for travel on flights operated by the other Defendant that occurs on or before January 31, 2024, for existing tickets valid at the time of the Frequent Flyer Cutoff Date. Each Defendant may honor reciprocal elite recognition benefits in existence as of the Frequent Flyer Cutoff Date through January 31, 2024. |
Today is the last day of booking B6 flight and get benefits based on AA status. I am curious if I make a speculative booking today, and then later make a change on the date, do i still get the AA status benefit after making date change?
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From what I can tell, AA program is gone from B6 website dropdown for existing reservations, but existing entries are there for now. I don't think any flight changes will go well if reticketing is involved for keeping AA info attached.
I also see adding baggage for non status AA flyer on existing B6 booking is broken. Not surprised, but disappointed. |
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