The new A321 is great in every way, but quite noisy. Why?
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The new A321 is great in every way, but quite noisy. Why?
I flew JetBlue from LAX to JFK yesterday. The plane was a spanking new A321 made in mid 2017. I was seating in the middle of the plane in row 14
One thing that surprised me is a relatively high level of noise, even when the plane was cruising. Considering that this is a brand new plane and should supposedly have the latest/greatest materials, including the isolation, this was quite surprising to me.
I flew to LAX on the previous leg on United's 777-200 that is one of the oldest 777s in service - over 20 years old. It was much quieter.
Any ideas why?
One thing that surprised me is a relatively high level of noise, even when the plane was cruising. Considering that this is a brand new plane and should supposedly have the latest/greatest materials, including the isolation, this was quite surprising to me.
I flew to LAX on the previous leg on United's 777-200 that is one of the oldest 777s in service - over 20 years old. It was much quieter.
Any ideas why?
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LAX-JFK yesterday, guessing it was because of the extremely high winds that have been making eastbound flights reach the speed of sound. Lot of factors go into aircraft noise, not just the aircraft.
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I flew JetBlue from LAX to JFK yesterday. The plane was a spanking new A321 made in mid 2017. I was seating in the middle of the plane in row 14
One thing that surprised me is a relatively high level of noise, even when the plane was cruising. Considering that this is a brand new plane and should supposedly have the latest/greatest materials, including the isolation, this was quite surprising to me.
One thing that surprised me is a relatively high level of noise, even when the plane was cruising. Considering that this is a brand new plane and should supposedly have the latest/greatest materials, including the isolation, this was quite surprising to me.
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I guess the high winds were constant across the whole country from California to New York, because it was noisy all the way through. But serious, I assume you were joking.
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Yes, aircraft were approaching speed of sounds but only in terms of ground speed. In terms of airspeed they were still at their usual ~0.8 mach.
High winds can definitely make a plane a lot more noisy. And yeah, high eastward wing across the country, pretty much. Check the news on Virgin Atlantic over the last couple of days and their ground speed.
Row 14 is over the wing, so you do get quite a lot of engine noise (though not as much as farther back).
Comparing a 321 to 777 isn't really a fair comparison, even less so without mentioning seating area.
Finally, as someone mentioned, the 2017 year of build JetBlue 321 is pretty much the same as a 2000 year of build 321 in terms of noise. Yes, aircraft have, in general, become quieter, which allows the manufacturers to make thinner insulation and cut the weight down, lowering operating costs. So noise reduction inside the cabin isn't really that big of a deal. It's still quiet where it matters most (J/F) because those cabins are in front of the engines.
Row 14 is over the wing, so you do get quite a lot of engine noise (though not as much as farther back).
Comparing a 321 to 777 isn't really a fair comparison, even less so without mentioning seating area.
Finally, as someone mentioned, the 2017 year of build JetBlue 321 is pretty much the same as a 2000 year of build 321 in terms of noise. Yes, aircraft have, in general, become quieter, which allows the manufacturers to make thinner insulation and cut the weight down, lowering operating costs. So noise reduction inside the cabin isn't really that big of a deal. It's still quiet where it matters most (J/F) because those cabins are in front of the engines.
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A321s are just noisy. This is nothing abnormal or special about JetBlue's newer ones. Pair that with the fact that they are relatively underpowered so on transcontinental flights with higher loads they're going to be running at a higher thrust setting.
Coming off the A380 and getting on an A321, it sounds like you're sitting outside. As noisy as they may be though, nothing is worse than the 737.
Coming off the A380 and getting on an A321, it sounds like you're sitting outside. As noisy as they may be though, nothing is worse than the 737.
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In any case; QC-35's or equivalent are a sound investment for flying these days.
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So much misinformation in this thread, I don't know where to start. I'm not even going to try on the speed-of-sound thing. Anyway, wind noise will not make a difference, relative to other noise generated by the aircraft. To the extent wind noise varies with high wind even theoretically (with a plane not making any noise), I would guess it would be headwinds; not tailwinds. Each flight's noise level is different, mostly because of the thrust setting. Harmonics can vary greatly, due to particular settings. Note that the fan blades within the engine *do* break he sound barrier, and create mini-sonic-booms. Even propeller planes have this effect.
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The ground speed is the sum of the two vectors, airspeed and the speed of the air they are in moving over the ground. A Gypsy Moth aircraft back in the 40's had a slow enough stall speed that it could fly at 45 kts into a 45 kt headwind and from the ground it had a speed of zero but on the airspeed indicator it would be going 45 kts.
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The ground speed is the sum of the two vectors, airspeed and the speed of the air they are in moving over the ground. A Gypsy Moth aircraft back in the 40's had a slow enough stall speed that it could fly at 45 kts into a 45 kt headwind and from the ground it had a speed of zero but on the airspeed indicator it would be going 45 kts.
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JetBlue's A321s are of the latest ceo (current engine option) generation, with the spaceflex galleys and thinner side walls (for more cabin width), which was achieved by having less insulation. I'd imagine they'd save some weight on the insulation as well.