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sbm12 Aug 16, 11 8:52 pm

Another 18 months and still no union for the pilots
 
This was the second effort in recent years where JetBlue pilots have made an effort to seek union representation for collective bargaining. And this is the second time they have failed.


Originally Posted by Barger
I would like to thank all JetBlue pilots for their thoughtful consideration of the issues in this campaign, and for electing to retain and expand their direct relationship with the company. Now that the election is concluded, I look forward to getting back to the business of truly reinventing the traditional airline management-labor relationship, as only JetBlue can.

Is it just me or is that comment a bit snarky?

Previous election discussion here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/jetbl...ition-nmb.html.

pete4abw Aug 17, 11 3:44 am


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 16936438)
This was the second effort in recent years where JetBlue pilots have made an effort to seek union representation for collective bargaining. And this is the second time they have failed. snip...

Seems like democracy in action to me. Pilots held a vote on unionizing. The vote was conducted fairly. The vote was tallied. Majority said no. Regardless whether you are pro union or not, the pilots made a choice. They were GIVEN a choice.

CX HK Aug 17, 11 3:49 am


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 16936438)
Is it just me or is that comment a bit snarky?

Not really. Pro's and con's on both sides, including unions. It's the pilots choice to fly with jetBlue and also their choice to not form a union, so it's all good. Management - Union clashes can often end up messy and very bad for the airline/ it's reputation.

jib71 Aug 17, 11 3:53 am


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 16936438)
Is it just me or is that comment a bit snarky?

I think you'd need to have preconceptions about the company's attitude to read any snarkiness into that statement. To me it just says "A decision was reached. Let's move on."

sbm12 Aug 17, 11 7:35 am

I guess it is just me. I felt the "I look forward to getting back to the business of truly reinventing the traditional airline management-labor relationship," bit was a bit of a dig at the pilots for wasting time bothering with the election efforts but apparently that's just me.

pete4abw Aug 17, 11 7:40 am


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 16938693)
I guess it is just me. I felt the "I look forward to getting back to the business of truly reinventing the traditional airline management-labor relationship," bit was a bit of a dig at the pilots for wasting time bothering with the election efforts but apparently that's just me.

Low cost carriers can only be successful if costs are low. I'm amazed B6 could sell the pilots on not unionizing. But there's no doubt, non-union labor will be less costly even though net salaries may be higher per pilot. Now that the vote is past, productivity, performance, and revenue miles are all that matter.

jj1987 Aug 17, 11 7:42 am


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 16936438)
Is it just me or is that comment a bit snarky?

Doesn't seem so to me, JetBlue was in the middle of negotiations with pilots, and ALPA rushed to call a vote before things could become finalized. I'd guess Dave meant he's getting back to what was going on before ALPA voting.

jib71 Aug 18, 11 3:26 am


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 16938693)
I guess it is just me. I felt the "I look forward to getting back to the business of truly reinventing the traditional airline management-labor relationship," bit was a bit of a dig at the pilots for wasting time bothering with the election efforts but apparently that's just me.

Time will tell if Jet Blue really does achieve a better relationship between management and labor than the unionized airlines have. Perhaps in a few years we'll be able to use hindsight to determine whether this statement was (1) an affirmation of the company's intent to avoid a "them and us" culture or (2) a dig at the "opposition".


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