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ByrdluvsAWACO Apr 11, 2010 9:25 pm
I'm not holding my breath for the OW invite based on that.
Wasn't impying OW membership, but rather more partnerships.

You're gonna have to eat so much crow pie if any OW - B6 announcements come in the future. :p

CO FF Apr 12, 2010 3:56 pm
There is significant benefit to OW from an alliance-wide link with B6. Look at B6's major markets:

JFK -- the premier East Coast gateway; almost every OW airline is here
BOS -- BA & IB serve BOS, and would benefit from B6 feed
IAD -- connections to big leisure destinations CUN, FLL & MCO
MCO -- served by BA & MX
SFO -- incremental additional feed for JL & CX to NRT/HKG (esp. to AUS?)

More importantly, in the Northeast, B6 feeding AA/OW at JFK would be at the expense of US feeding *A and DL's feed for itself/ST.

Maybe this is a sign that OW is finally getting serious about acting for each others' benefit?

sbm12 Apr 12, 2010 9:59 pm
Originally Posted by CO FF (Post 13757154)
There is significant benefit to OW from an alliance-wide link with B6.
I don't see this as anything where OW is special compared to the other two alliances.


Originally Posted by CO FF (Post 13757154)
JFK -- the premier East Coast gateway; almost every OW airline is here
Ditto for *A and ST.
Originally Posted by CO FF (Post 13757154)
BOS -- BA & IB serve BOS, and would benefit from B6 feed
This may be the only city where OW has more than the others. That being said, KL and AF have flights into BOS. So does LH.
Originally Posted by CO FF (Post 13757154)
IAD -- connections to big leisure destinations CUN, FLL & MCO
Connections from who? The BA flight?
Originally Posted by CO FF (Post 13757154)
MCO -- served by BA & MX
And many other carriers, like LH. Plus, the MX feed into MCO seems less useful to me than the BA for onwards connections. What options does B6 offer via MCO that AA doesn't via DFW and MIA or that MX doesn't have natively?
Originally Posted by CO FF (Post 13757154)
SFO -- incremental additional feed for JL & CX to NRT/HKG (esp. to AUS?)
B6 has barely any lift in SFO. I cannot see the AUS-SFO feed as justifying an alliance.

Originally Posted by CO FF (Post 13757154)
More importantly, in the Northeast, B6 feeding AA/OW at JFK would be at the expense of US feeding *A and DL's feed for itself/ST.
US has barely any feed at JFK. UA has a bit. *A is mostly O/D there and that is why LH - which also has decent lift in JFK - got the codeshare/interline agreement in place with B6. Just like the one AA just signed.

nerd Apr 12, 2010 10:33 pm
The thread title still says codeshare.

It's pretty certain now that it's a ticketing agreement; no codeshare benefits, nor any on the horizon, right?

ByrdluvsAWACO Apr 13, 2010 12:40 am
no codeshare benefits, nor any on the horizon, right?
We don't know what's on the horizon, but we can't rule it out.

sbm12 Apr 13, 2010 8:08 am
Originally Posted by nerd (Post 13759072)
The thread title still says codeshare.

It's pretty certain now that it's a ticketing agreement; no codeshare benefits, nor any on the horizon, right?
Correct that it was actually announced as an interline ticketing agreement, not codeshares. I'll fix the thread title.

JAX2BOS Apr 13, 2010 1:20 pm
I confirmed today with someone from Corp R.E. that we will be operating out of Term A, the old term. I don't care, I'm just glad we're there :) beggers can't be choosy. :p

JetBlueFA Apr 13, 2010 1:26 pm
I use to fly out of Terminal A with ATA. I know NW use to be over there but since they have moved is that terminal now empty?

haddon90 Apr 13, 2010 1:32 pm
Originally Posted by JetBlueFA (Post 13762887)
I use to fly out of Terminal A with ATA. I know NW use to be over there but since they have moved is that terminal now empty?
no, spirit, AC, and airtran are out of A (sorry i don't know those codes).

AS and CO are out of the hallway between A and B. I guess that's A? i have never flown out of that part of DCA before.

JetBlueFA Apr 13, 2010 7:27 pm
Spirit = NK
Air Canada = AC
AirTran = FL

Ok I didn't know they where all still in A.

ByrdluvsAWACO Apr 14, 2010 12:04 am
JetBlueFA,

How do the other FA's feel about this partnership? Any rumors going around? ;)

sbm12 Apr 14, 2010 4:03 am
Originally Posted by haddon90 (Post 13762930)
AS and CO are out of the hallway between A and B. I guess that's A? i have never flown out of that part of DCA before.
Nope...you clear security at B for CO, AS and F9 which operate from that section; same checkpoint as DL.
Being down at A is annoying for the extra 5 minutes to/from the Metro and because of the antiquated terminal facilities, but not really a surprise that those are the gates available and worthwhile for the sake of having operations at DCA.

JetBlueFA Apr 14, 2010 7:35 am
Originally Posted by ByrdluvsAWACO (Post 13766612)
JetBlueFA,

How do the other FA's feel about this partnership? Any rumors going around? ;)
To me it's just an interline deal. The same thing that every other airline has with each other. The ability to book flights on 2 seperate airlines with one ticket and the ability to transfer bags. However I just flew with an FO and FA that see this as a beginning of a planned buyout. The FA was/is former TWA and he and the FO went back and forth about this for the entire 4 days. The both said that in under 2 years we will be bought by AA and all of us will be out of jobs.

JetBlueFA Apr 14, 2010 7:36 am
Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 13767239)
Nope...you clear security at B for CO, AS and F9 which operate from that section; same checkpoint as DL.
Being down at A is annoying for the extra 5 minutes to/from the Metro and because of the antiquated terminal facilities, but not really a surprise that those are the gates available and worthwhile for the sake of having operations at DCA.
So we will be right at home :D. The same could be said about T5 in JFK when walking from the AirTrain to Ticketing.

bernardd Apr 14, 2010 2:27 pm
Originally Posted by JetBlueFA (Post 13767928)
The FA was/is former TWA and he and the FO went back and forth about this for the entire 4 days. The both said that in under 2 years we will be bought by AA and all of us will be out of jobs.
AA's treatment of TWA staff didn't seem too great but then TWA was bust when they acquired them and had little room to bargain. In the case of B6 I suspect the shoe might be very much on the other foot - as it stands today AA has zero chance of affording B6!

haddon90 Apr 14, 2010 2:45 pm
Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 13767239)
Nope...you clear security at B for CO, AS and F9 which operate from that section; same checkpoint as DL.
Being down at A is annoying for the extra 5 minutes to/from the Metro and because of the antiquated terminal facilities, but not really a surprise that those are the gates available and worthwhile for the sake of having operations at DCA.
i think F9 got moved to A when NW moved to B.

and while the walk from the metro isn't fun, using DCA will be much easier then IAD. especially if they have flights to JFK.

i always fly out of midfield or US shuttle. i miss the legal seafoods.

chrisw Apr 27, 2010 8:31 pm
JetBlue just filed a $99 DCA-BOS fare and a $139 DCA-MCO fare, for travel after 01 Nov, booking before 05 May. Unless they're just fooling around, could they possibly be going to load DCA flights into the schedule before 05 May?

Washington-All Airports, DC (WAS) to Orlando, FL (ORL)


OLX57BN: One way instant purchase fares O, for one way fares

Category 2: DayTime
For -X57 type fares Permitted mon/tue/wed/thu/sat.

Category 4: Flights
For -N type fares The fare component must include travel from/to dca airport.

Category 5: ReservationsTicketing
Unless otherwise specified Reservations are required for all sectors. Waitlist not permitted. Ticketing must be completed by midnight 1 day after reservations are made.

Category 8: Stopovers
Unless otherwise specified No stopovers permitted. No stopover occurs if passenger takes next available flight within 5 hours.

Category 11: Blackouts
For -BN type fares Travel is not permitted 19NOV 10 through 29NOV 10.

Category 14: TravelRestrictions
Unless otherwise specified Valid for travel commencing on/after 01NOV 10. Travel on this fare component must commence by midnight on 15DEC 10.

Category 15: SalesRestrictions
Unless otherwise specified Tickets must be issued on/before 05MAY 10.

sbm12 Apr 27, 2010 8:51 pm
I have no idea if they'll load the schedules now or if they are just working on getting some fares published to signal their intentions. There are also fares published for CLT, FLL and JFK. There are not fares published for RDU, PWM, BTV or AUS. Those are the only ones I checked.

Hard to believe they'd fly non-stop to 5 destinations with as few slots as they have, but maybe...

JetBlueFA Apr 28, 2010 8:05 am
Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 13856071)
I have no idea if they'll load the schedules now or if they are just working on getting some fares published to signal their intentions. There are also fares published for CLT, FLL and JFK. There are not fares published for RDU, PWM, BTV or AUS. Those are the only ones I checked.

Hard to believe they'd fly non-stop to 5 destinations with as few slots as they have, but maybe...
DCA Destinations are going to be announced today along with a flight schedule.

sbm12 Apr 28, 2010 8:09 am
Originally Posted by JetBlueFA (Post 13858232)
DCA Destinations are going to be announced today along with a flight schedule.
7x daily DCA-BOS.
1x daily DCA-FLL.
1x daily DCA-MCO.

Just announced on the conf call.

JetBlueFA Apr 28, 2010 8:18 am
Washington National (DCA) to
Boston (BOS)
6:30 a.m. – 7:59 a.m.
10 a.m. – 11:22 a.m.
12 p.m. – 1:23 p.m.
2:15 p.m. – 3:41 p.m.
3:45 p.m. – 5:13 p.m.
6 p.m. – 7:28 p.m.
8:00 p.m. – 9:26 p.m.

Boston (BOS) to
Washington National (DCA)
7:30 a.m. – 9:18 a.m.
9:35 a.m. – 11:17 a.m.
11:00 a.m. – 12:42 p.m.
1:25 p.m. – 3:08 p.m.
3:25 p.m. – 5:09 p.m.
5:30 p.m. – 7:18 p.m.
8:20 p.m. – 10:01 p.m.


Washington National (DCA) to
Fort Lauderdale (FLL)
7:50 a.m. – 10:21 a.m.

Fort Lauderdale (FLL) toWashington National (DCA)
11:15 a.m. – 1:40 p.m.


Washington National (DCA) to
Orlando (MCO)
1:20 p.m. – 3:31 p.m.

Orlando (MCO) to
Washington National (DCA)
6:13 p.m. – 8:20 p.m.

N830MH Apr 28, 2010 8:25 am
Wow! I didn't see it coming. So B6 will startup service DCA-BOS/FLL/MCO and why does not have any slots restrictions service to JFK due to overcrowded who has already existing service WAS-NYC. So I cannot supports for this one due to extra slots restrictions into DCA. Maybe someday in the future if JFK will have reductions the congestions.

Here the official news releases from B6 came in this morning and here the links:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/JetBlu....html?x=0&.v=1

I'm pretty sure the routes will be very successful out of DCA-BOS/MCO/FLL and no service to JFK for this time.

sbm12 Apr 28, 2010 8:39 am
Originally Posted by N830MH (Post 13858359)
Maybe someday in the future if JFK will have reductions the congestions.
I don't think there are the profit margins on that route in the near future. Connecting traffic via Florida to LatAm and shuttle service to BOS are way more valuable.

haddon90 Apr 28, 2010 9:17 am
B6 wouldn't make any $ DCA-JFK, so the BOS route makes sense.

i like it. i can go DCA-california now, instead of treking out to IAD. smart move imo

sbm12 Apr 28, 2010 10:33 am
Originally Posted by haddon90 (Post 13858698)
B6 wouldn't make any $ DCA-JFK, so the BOS route makes sense.

i like it. i can go DCA-california now, instead of treking out to IAD. smart move imo
You'd fly DCA-BOS-LGB/LAX/SFO rather than the IAD non-stops?? Ouch. Unless there is a compelling fare difference, why?

haddon90 Apr 28, 2010 11:13 am
Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 13859184)
You'd fly DCA-BOS-LGB/LAX/SFO rather than the IAD non-stops?? Ouch. Unless there is a compelling fare difference, why?
if it's OAK or LGB, i'd do IAD. if it's SAN, SFO, or LAX, i'd do DCA.

i live right at braddock road metro station, so DCA is much more ideal.

N830MH Apr 28, 2010 3:23 pm
Originally Posted by haddon90 (Post 13858698)
B6 wouldn't make any $ DCA-JFK, so the BOS route makes sense.

i like it. i can go DCA-california now, instead of treking out to IAD. smart move imo
No, it's won't like that. Only where you are flying DL, B6, US or AA out BOS-DCA. There is lots of those airlines has already existing service from NYC-WAS are too extremely overcrowded.

JetBlueFA Apr 28, 2010 4:19 pm
According to the Intranet, all flights will start off on the 190. However if we see loads on the BOS-DCA route like we are seeing on the BOS-BWI route I suspect a 320 might slip in for a flight or 2.

N830MH Apr 28, 2010 7:13 pm
Originally Posted by JetBlueFA (Post 13861324)
According to the Intranet, all flights will start off on the 190. However if we see loads on the BOS-DCA route like we are seeing on the BOS-BWI route I suspect a 320 might slip in for a flight or 2.
Do you really think B6 will eventually to kept BOS-BWI or might to be discontinuation service?

JBLU421NYC Apr 28, 2010 7:25 pm
This may be a totally random question, but why is the first flight of the day from BOS-DCA flight 1600? It seems a little random considering all the other flight numbers are 6XX. The fares to Florida are nice, I remember when I could snag a flight for $59 from JFK/EWR to PBI/TPA/FLL/MCO... I miss those days!

bmg42000 Apr 28, 2010 7:48 pm
Originally Posted by JBLU421NYC (Post 13862300)
This may be a totally random question, but why is the first flight of the day from BOS-DCA flight 1600? It seems a little random considering all the other flight numbers are 6XX. The fares to Florida are nice, I remember when I could snag a flight for $59 from JFK/EWR to PBI/TPA/FLL/MCO... I miss those days!
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is the address of the White House. The people who assign fligh numbers do have a sense of humor (like flight 711 to LAS) or on other airlines (1776 to Philadelphia )

dietcoke Apr 28, 2010 8:07 pm
^
Originally Posted by JetBlueFA (Post 13861324)
According to the Intranet, all flights will start off on the 190. However if we see loads on the BOS-DCA route like we are seeing on the BOS-BWI route I suspect a 320 might slip in for a flight or 2.
So if the loads are so good on the Bos-Bwi flights why are they all E190s and not A320s. Please stop sucking on the blue juice.

JBLU421NYC Apr 28, 2010 8:31 pm
Makes sense,thats both cute and clever, thanks for the info.

caphis Apr 28, 2010 10:36 pm
Originally Posted by bmg42000 (Post 13862439)
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is the address of the White House. The people who assign fligh numbers do have a sense of humor (like flight 711 to LAS) or on other airlines (1776 to Philadelphia )
Likewise, the first DCA-BOS departure is flight 1790. Bonus points for deciphering that one!

ellinj Apr 29, 2010 5:24 am
Originally Posted by dietcoke (Post 13862546)
^

So if the loads are so good on the Bos-Bwi flights why are they all E190s and not A320s. Please stop sucking on the blue juice.
probably because the profit margin is potentially much higher on bos-dca given what Usair charges on weekday shuttle flights. Way too much competition on bos-bwi from airtran and southwest.

Keegan99 Apr 30, 2010 2:04 pm
Likewise, the first DCA-BOS departure is flight 1790. Bonus points for deciphering that one!
The year DC was established as the nation's capital, no?

caphis Apr 30, 2010 5:02 pm
Originally Posted by Keegan99 (Post 13874216)
The year DC was established as the nation's capital, no?
I had to look it up, even. Unfortunately, my bonus points aren't worth squat, but you win, nonetheless. ;)

sbm12 May 4, 2010 7:38 pm
Interesting news on the slot swap front this afternoon/evening. The DoT has denied the swap plans of DL/US that would have seen B6 pick up 5 pairs from US. These are separate from the 8 pairs that were negotiated in the AA deal, but it seems that B6 needs 9 pairs to operate their proposed November 1 schedule. It will be interesting to see what happens if this cannot be resolved. I also wonder if there are really four more pairs out there looking for some utilization.

JetBlueFA May 4, 2010 8:03 pm
I believe that we were awarded an off peak slots that wasn't being utilized.

N830MH May 4, 2010 8:32 pm
Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 13900468)
Interesting news on the slot swap front this afternoon/evening. The DoT has denied the swap plans of DL/US that would have seen B6 pick up 5 pairs from US. These are separate from the 8 pairs that were negotiated in the AA deal, but it seems that B6 needs 9 pairs to operate their proposed November 1 schedule. It will be interesting to see what happens if this cannot be resolved. I also wonder if there are really four more pairs out there looking for some utilization.
I am wondering to know why both US/DL is denied approval? So could be JetBlue will acquiring 5 more extra slots into DCA? I think B6 will have to startup more flight from DCA-TPA/PBI/JAX or even B6 will get more frequencies DCA-FLL to become second daily.


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