FlyerTalk Forums

FlyerTalk Forums (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/index.php)
-   Japan (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/japan-509/)
-   -   Top beef (Kobe or otherwise) on Honshu? (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/japan/859340-top-beef-kobe-otherwise-honshu.html)

mitsou_jpn Aug 26, 2008 10:34 pm


Originally Posted by glac13 (Post 10263705)
When I was doing research for my Japan trip earlier this summer I found a place called Steak House Satou which seemed to be popular with (English-speaking) internet food bloggers as being a good value. It's a little bit off the beaten path in Kichioji (a Tokyo suburb). It's primarily a butcher shop that sells Matsuzaka steak, but upstairs they have a really small restaurant where you can get high quality steak for about $50 (at lunch, probably a bit more for dinner).

You can read about it here: http://paulstravelpics.blogspot.com/...-yakitori.html or just googling for "steak house satou" for some other links.

You could go to Matsuzaka to have the Matsuzaka steak. It's about 30 min train ride from Nagoya. I went to one of butcher shops that run a steak house as well in Matsuzaka and didn't see any Westerners. So it may be a place you are looking for. And I enjoyed their matsuzaka-gyu.

msb0b Aug 26, 2008 11:52 pm

Pretty sure the ban on American beef import was lifted in 2006. Yoshinoya started serving gyuudon as soon as they could. At least the Yoshinoya entry on the Japanese Wikipedia says so.

I don't know, I was enjoying the gyuudon at Yoshinoyas in NYC and HK during the ban. BSE be damned. :D

abmj-jr Aug 27, 2008 12:53 am


Originally Posted by msb0b (Post 10266005)
Pretty sure the ban on American beef import was lifted in 2006...

Don't think so. I believe they re-instituted controls this year. I just don't know if that is still in effect or even if Yoshinoya is still using Australian beef.

At least one presidential candidate has referenced the problem. http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-b...0080518a5.html .

Of course, that wouldn't affect NYC or HK. :)

mosburger Aug 27, 2008 3:01 am

Any good quality place serving beef that has a steak tartare type raw appetizer?

Have had some very good experiences in Korea with local Matsuzaka-level (and price) beef being served raw in this way.

jib71 Aug 27, 2008 5:09 am


Originally Posted by mosburger (Post 10266395)
Any good quality place serving beef that has a steak tartare type raw appetizer?

I've had Yukke in Korean restaurants in Japan. (Also in some non-Korean restaurants, but called "Yukke" - so it's clearly derived from the Korean idea).

There's a restaurant in Toranomon that does a "maguro yukke donburi", which I particularly like... but that's a whole 'nuther kettle o' fish, I guess.

Pickles Aug 27, 2008 9:55 am


Originally Posted by jib71 (Post 10266609)
There's a restaurant in Toranomon that does a "maguro yukke donburi", which I particularly like... but that's a whole 'nuther kettle o' fish, I guess.

Speaking of fish, modori gatsuo, shinko, and shinsanma are now in season. If you've never had modori gatsuo sushi, you have never lived.

fs2k2isfun Aug 27, 2008 10:06 am


Originally Posted by mjm (Post 10265028)

That all said, I think I am reading the original post correctly when I assume that the goal of the meal sought is a carnivorous feast highlighting the flavors and textures of Japanese beef as opposed to a delicately prepared and presented Japanese meal.

Actually, I am looking to experience quality, not necessarily a "carnivorous feast". I can get a great (and massive) steak in any number of steakhouses here in Chicago, but I am looking for a real Japanese beef experience, focusing on the uniqueness of Japanese beef. I think the "delicately prepared and presented Japanese meal" is more along the lines of what we want. Thanks to all for the great suggestions so far.

macabus Aug 27, 2008 10:06 am

Aragawa, Tokyo

$258 for a roughly eight-ounce serving of Kobe fillet.

Forbes rated as one of the to 10 steaks in the world.

Pickles Aug 27, 2008 10:10 am

The Great Sminx of Giza 4-chome says to get back on topic.

Hence: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/517711

jib71 Aug 27, 2008 10:12 am


Originally Posted by Pickles (Post 10267880)
Speaking of fish, modori gatsuo, shinko, and shinsanma are now in season. If you've never had modori gatsuo sushi, you have never lived.

^
And since you're an ukiyoe fan... I heard a theory a few years ago that the imperilled fishing boat in Hokusai's "Great Wave off Kanagawa" is risking life and limb to bring home a catch of precious Katsuo at this time of year.

mosburger Aug 27, 2008 10:15 am


Originally Posted by fs2k2isfun (Post 10267951)
Actually, I am looking to experience quality, not necessarily a "carnivorous feast". I can get a great (and massive) steak in any number of steakhouses here in Chicago, but I am looking for a real Japanese beef experience, focusing on the uniqueness of Japanese beef. I think the "delicately prepared and presented Japanese meal" is more along the lines of what we want. Thanks to all for the great suggestions so far.

You know, there are lots of Japanese tour groups heading to Korea on tours where one of the main attractions is yakiniku aka grilled beef. ;)

Which is a good reason to second (or third) the recommendation of mjm-san and Pickles-hakase to go for a top shabu-shabu place n Japan. It's an interesting evolution of the original Chinese hotpot.

Or then a good Korean BBQ restaurant in Kobe, Osaka or Tokyo.

Pickles Aug 27, 2008 10:20 am


Originally Posted by mosburger (Post 10267993)
You know, there are lots of Japanese tour groups heading to Korea on tours where one of the main attractions is yakiniku aka grilled beef. ;)

The best yakiniku and entrails I've ever had, even better than anything I had in Korea (and I spent 4 years commuting to Seoul on a weekly basis, so I ate my way through there) is at a place called Ohjuri in Ginza 4-chome, not far from the Great Sminx of Giza 4-chome. It is run by zainichi Koreans, and it is excellent.

Pickles Aug 27, 2008 10:26 am


Originally Posted by jib71 (Post 10267983)
^
And since you're an ukiyoe fan... I heard a theory a few years ago that the imperilled fishing boat in Hokusai's "Great Wave off Kanagawa" is risking life and limb to bring home a catch of precious Katsuo at this time of year.

I actually had heard that. But did you know that the only Hiroshige print to feature a cat, Asakusa Tambo Torinomachi, is a view from a prostitute's room in Asakusa? Smidgen owns a pristine 1854 print, his most cherished posession.

LapLap Aug 27, 2008 11:18 am


Originally Posted by Pickles (Post 10268066)
I actually had heard that. But did you know that the only Hiroshige print to feature a cat, Asakusa Tambo Torinomachi, is a view from a prostitute's room in Asakusa? Smidgen owns a pristine 1854 print, his most cherished posession.

Ooh! That probably means it's the view from Yoshiwara. Thanks, I hadn't realised (I bought a modern copy of this print from the Edo museum for my sister-in-law). I'm currently fixated with Higuchi Ichiyo who wrote about this district just a generation or two later.

msb0b Aug 28, 2008 6:15 pm


Originally Posted by abmj-jr (Post 10266147)
Don't think so. I believe they re-instituted controls this year. I just don't know if that is still in effect or even if Yoshinoya is still using Australian beef.

At least one presidential candidate has referenced the problem. http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-b...0080518a5.html .

Of course, that wouldn't affect NYC or HK. :)

I must have missed the news of the latest beef controversy. It is not inconceivable that I was chowing down on a Yoshinoya gyuudon when the news broke.

Let's see... As recent as April, Yoshinoya received a shipment of American beef with spinal column, where BSE festers in infected cows. Yoshinoya decided not to use that batch of beef, and they emphasized their beef is safe.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 5:07 pm.


This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.