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SJUAMMF Jun 29, 2007 9:30 am


Originally Posted by LapLap (Post 7977145)
I guess it's because I've never looked too deeply into staying at "TOP LUXURY ryokans". http://www.jnto.go.jp/syd/arrange/ac...ons/index.html None of my (British) guidebooks encourage me to tip.

Perhaps it would be more helpful to try and figure out what percentage of ryokans are 'top luxury' ones, and how much they usually cost so one can recognise them.

That should stop anyone who might get concerned with tipping doing so needlessly.

What are the tell tale signs of a 'top luxury' ryokan where this sort of practice may or may not be expected?

Not quite sure, we were just intrigued with Noto Hanto and stumbled upon the Kagaya. There were a line of these hotels along the shore and some may even be more exclusive.

Masako san said that there are very few Westerners who came to Kagaya but around a hundred Taiwanese every year. As you recall, Taiwan was ruled by Japan upto WWII.

I learned a lot of tidbits from her. Such as the belt on yukata is worn below the belly for men and below the bosom for women. So I was wearing the belt like a woman before.:)

jib71 Jun 29, 2007 9:37 am

Here's more from the Japan Ryokan Assoc.
http://www.ryokan.or.jp/english/pdf/...y_of_terms.pdf

LapLap Jun 29, 2007 9:58 am

Thanks! - that should be authoritive enough

Originally Posted by Japan Ryokan Association
...some guests offer kokoro-zuke when staying at a ryokan. When doing so, the guests usually wrap the money or place it in a small envelope called a pochi-bukero and hand it as a shougi (generous tip), sunshi (small token of appreciation), or chadai (small tip) usually given to the room attendant. The kokoro-zuke is given at various timings, such as upon arrival, at dinnertime, or upon departure. The amount is usually 10% of the accommodation charge, but as a kokoro-zuke is at the discretion of each guest, there are no set rules. Some ryokans firmly decline gifts of kokoro-zuke.

(bolding mine)

(There have been some viscious fights over this subject on the China forum, I'm just hoping to 'contain' it here so it doesn't get out of hand)

jib71 Jun 29, 2007 10:51 am


Originally Posted by LapLap (Post 7977407)
Thanks! - that should be authoritive enough

Err thanks....

BTW - Pochi-Bukuro (spelling).


Originally Posted by LapLap (Post 7977407)
(There have been some viscious fights over this subject on the China forum, I'm just hoping to 'contain' it here so it doesn't get out of hand)

Depends what you mean by "this subject"
I know that the China forum has seen disputes about whether it is right to tip in China. But I doubt the folks there have ever been locked in a dispute about whether there is a tradition of presenting gratuities in Japanese Ryokan. Since the tradition of gratuities in ryokan is a pretty straightforward point of fact rather than an opinion, I don't know how long anyone could sustain an argument about it...

But FT is full of surprises like that, I suppose.

jib71 Jun 29, 2007 11:12 am


Originally Posted by LapLap (Post 7977145)
None of my (British) guidebooks encourage me to tip.

Which guidebooks are British?
TimeOut, Wallpaper City Guide...

Dr_wanderlust Jun 29, 2007 11:49 am


Originally Posted by jib71 (Post 7977843)
Which guidebooks are British?
TimeOut, Wallpaper City Guide...

rough guides

LapLap Jun 29, 2007 1:08 pm


Originally Posted by jib71 (Post 7977843)
Which guidebooks are British?
TimeOut, Wallpaper City Guide...

I was being lazy. I should have been more specific and said:

"none of my (bought in British bookstores or borrowed from British libraries) guidebooks encourage me to tip"

or better still

"none of the guidebooks I've consulted (bought in British bookstores or borrowed from British libraries) have encouraged me to tip"


Putting 'British' in was to point out that I am unfamiliar with certain publications that might be popular in other countries.

sfvoyage Jul 1, 2007 8:11 pm

what about tipping movers?
 
I get that, in general, there is no tipping in Japan. However, someone also mentioned there are exceptions.

What about movers? I just relocated to Tokyo. Will I need to tip the movers who will be unloading and unpacking my furniture and household goods? In all the other countries where I've moved to/from, the movers all expect to be tipped generously. Perhaps not in Japan?

mjm Jul 1, 2007 9:40 pm

A tip is not needed or expected. HAving said that, any group of people sweating in this heat will definitely appreciate cold drinks now and then. If the volume of stuff is massive, a couple of times offering them cold drinks in individual containers they can take and drink by the truck will likely go over very well.

Mike


Originally Posted by sfvoyage (Post 7988540)
I get that, in general, there is no tipping in Japan. However, someone also mentioned there are exceptions.

What about movers? I just relocated to Tokyo. Will I need to tip the movers who will be unloading and unpacking my furniture and household goods? In all the other countries where I've moved to/from, the movers all expect to be tipped generously. Perhaps not in Japan?


Q Shoe Guy Jul 1, 2007 11:01 pm


Originally Posted by mjm (Post 7988835)
A tip is not needed or expected. HAving said that, any group of people sweating in this heat will definitely appreciate cold drinks now and then. If the volume of stuff is massive, a couple of times offering them cold drinks in individual containers they can take and drink by the truck will likely go over very well.

Mike

Quite right, and you might include some snacks too. I often buy indivdual 500ml bottles of tea and soft drinks and let them choose (what Mike has stated is also applicable to other workers that come and spend some time at your home).

sfvoyage Jul 1, 2007 11:27 pm


Originally Posted by mjm (Post 7988835)
A tip is not needed or expected. HAving said that, any group of people sweating in this heat will definitely appreciate cold drinks now and then. If the volume of stuff is massive, a couple of times offering them cold drinks in individual containers they can take and drink by the truck will likely go over very well.

Mike

An American expat in the office did exactly this - he offered no tip but cold beer to the movers. I will do the same, except I'll have a selection of non-alcoholic drinks, as well as beer at the end (wouldn't want them handling works of art in a drunken state!). Thanks!

SJUAMMF Jul 2, 2007 7:52 pm


Originally Posted by LapLap (Post 7977145)
...Perhaps it would be more helpful to try and figure out what percentage of ryokans are 'top luxury' ones, and how much they usually cost so one can recognise them.
...

Here is a website that does give some guidance:

http://www.japaneseguesthouses.com/


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