New immigration policies: Japan to fingerprint and photograph visitors (merged)
#136
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Apparently Narita will have an automated gate from 11/20 for those who have preregistered their photos and fingerprints (also can apparently do from 11/20 at T1-South and T2 exit immigration). However, the only information I've seen on this is in Japanese here:
http://www.moj.go.jp/NYUKAN/nyukan63-2.pdf
Can someone with better language skills than myself confirm that this is the case, and perhaps provide more details?
http://www.moj.go.jp/NYUKAN/nyukan63-2.pdf
Can someone with better language skills than myself confirm that this is the case, and perhaps provide more details?
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Apparently Narita will have an automated gate from 11/20 for those who have preregistered their photos and fingerprints (also can apparently do from 11/20 at T1-South and T2 exit immigration). However, the only information I've seen on this is in Japanese here:
http://www.moj.go.jp/NYUKAN/nyukan63-2.pdf
Can someone with better language skills than myself confirm that this is the case, and perhaps provide more details?
http://www.moj.go.jp/NYUKAN/nyukan63-2.pdf
Can someone with better language skills than myself confirm that this is the case, and perhaps provide more details?
The initial description of the service makes it sound unhelpful:
(1) On arrival
Advance to a position directly in front of the immigration officer. Place your passport in the reader. After it is confirmed that you are the registered person, you will provide your fingerprints and face photo. Then give your ED Card and passport to the immigration officer and after he checks, the gate will open and this concludes the procedure for arrivals inspection.
If this is correct, I'll give this service a pass...
Last edited by jib71; Nov 4, 2007 at 10:14 pm
#138
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The initial description of the service makes it sound unhelpful:
(1) On arrival
Advance to a position directly in front of the immigration officer. Place your passport in the reader. After it is confirmed that you are the registered person, you will provide your fingerprints and face photo. Then give your ED Card and passport to the immigration officer and after he checks, the gate will open and this concludes the procedure for arrivals inspection.
If this is correct, I'll give this service a pass...
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The initial description of the service makes it sound unhelpful:
(1) On arrival
Advance to a position directly in front of the immigration officer. Place your passport in the reader. After it is confirmed that you are the registered person, you will provide your fingerprints and face photo. Then give your ED Card and passport to the immigration officer and after he checks, the gate will open and this concludes the procedure for arrivals inspection.
If this is correct, I'll give this service a pass...
(1) On arrival
Advance to a position directly in front of the immigration officer. Place your passport in the reader. After it is confirmed that you are the registered person, you will provide your fingerprints and face photo. Then give your ED Card and passport to the immigration officer and after he checks, the gate will open and this concludes the procedure for arrivals inspection.
If this is correct, I'll give this service a pass...
#141
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Just came back through and have confirmed that Japanese nationals are welcome to hang out through immigration in the plebian line with their loved ones/ family members. Vice Versa is no go.
And that machine for photos and prints is a doozy. Looks a bit like something out of a science fiction flick.
Going to miss the under 2 minute drill like today.
Mike
And that machine for photos and prints is a doozy. Looks a bit like something out of a science fiction flick.
Going to miss the under 2 minute drill like today.
Mike
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I always come into Terminal 1 and have never taken more than a minute or two to get through immigration. Is this really going to make that much of a difference? I have always been up front (or close to the front) flying into Narita and have been towards the front of the crowd. Since planes in Terminal 1 seem to be better spaced than Terminal 2, shouldn't the overlap of pax going through immigration still be minimal?
I guess I will see for myself 10 Dec.
Marc
I guess I will see for myself 10 Dec.
Marc
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I can't believe Japan will now treat visitors even worse than the US! (And with policies that do nothing to enhance security.) What is this, a race to the bottom?
#144
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Apparently Narita will have an automated gate from 11/20 for those who have preregistered their photos and fingerprints (also can apparently do from 11/20 at T1-South and T2 exit immigration). However, the only information I've seen on this is in Japanese here:
http://www.moj.go.jp/NYUKAN/nyukan63-2.pdf
Can someone with better language skills than myself confirm that this is the case, and perhaps provide more details?
http://www.moj.go.jp/NYUKAN/nyukan63-2.pdf
Can someone with better language skills than myself confirm that this is the case, and perhaps provide more details?
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#148
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Just received this from ACCJ. Looks like, at least temporarily, families with one Japanese+one foreign parent can use the JP line at immigration.
The following is a recap of measures that will be introduced to ensure
that the new procedures are implemented as smoothly as possible:
Narita International Airport - Tokyo:
- Add 100 immigration officers during the transition period
- Provide dedicated queues for foreigners with re-entry permits
- Provide dedicated queues for airline crew members and disabled/
reduced mobility passengers
- Offer automated immigration gates in Terminal 1 South Wing and
Terminal 2 for pre-registered travelers. Registration is available at
the Tokyo Regional Immigration Bureau or the Narita District Office
- Install cameras/fingerprint readers at all positions and dynamically
expand number of queues available to foreigners
- At least initially, allow mixed nationality families with children
under the age of 16 and one Japanese parent to use the Japanese
passport holder lanes
Central Japan International Airport - Nagoya:
- Add 18 immigration officers during the transition period
- Provide a dedicated queue for airline crew members and disabled/
reduced mobility passengers
- Install cameras/fingerprint readers at all positions and dynamically
expand number of queues available to foreigners
- At least initially allow mixed nationality families (at least one
Japanese parent) to use Japanese passport holder lanes
- Consider installing automated immigration gates during 2008
Kansai International Airport - Osaka:
- Add immigrations officers (number under study) during transition period
- Provide a dedicated queue for airline crew members and disabled/
reduced mobility passengers
- Install cameras/fingerprint readers at all positions and dynamically
expand number of queues available to foreigners
- Consider installing automated immigration gates during 2008
Note: the Kansai region is home to a large number of Korean special
permanent residents who will use the Japanese passport holders lanes
and are not subject to biometric data collection
Other airports:
The U.S. carriers have met with the local immigrations authorities and
believe that because a high percentage of passengers using these
secondary airports, foreign citizens will encounter few problems.
The following is a recap of measures that will be introduced to ensure
that the new procedures are implemented as smoothly as possible:
Narita International Airport - Tokyo:
- Add 100 immigration officers during the transition period
- Provide dedicated queues for foreigners with re-entry permits
- Provide dedicated queues for airline crew members and disabled/
reduced mobility passengers
- Offer automated immigration gates in Terminal 1 South Wing and
Terminal 2 for pre-registered travelers. Registration is available at
the Tokyo Regional Immigration Bureau or the Narita District Office
- Install cameras/fingerprint readers at all positions and dynamically
expand number of queues available to foreigners
- At least initially, allow mixed nationality families with children
under the age of 16 and one Japanese parent to use the Japanese
passport holder lanes
Central Japan International Airport - Nagoya:
- Add 18 immigration officers during the transition period
- Provide a dedicated queue for airline crew members and disabled/
reduced mobility passengers
- Install cameras/fingerprint readers at all positions and dynamically
expand number of queues available to foreigners
- At least initially allow mixed nationality families (at least one
Japanese parent) to use Japanese passport holder lanes
- Consider installing automated immigration gates during 2008
Kansai International Airport - Osaka:
- Add immigrations officers (number under study) during transition period
- Provide a dedicated queue for airline crew members and disabled/
reduced mobility passengers
- Install cameras/fingerprint readers at all positions and dynamically
expand number of queues available to foreigners
- Consider installing automated immigration gates during 2008
Note: the Kansai region is home to a large number of Korean special
permanent residents who will use the Japanese passport holders lanes
and are not subject to biometric data collection
Other airports:
The U.S. carriers have met with the local immigrations authorities and
believe that because a high percentage of passengers using these
secondary airports, foreign citizens will encounter few problems.
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So it looks like of the big 3, KIX will be the least prepared and no thought at all has been given to Haneda, which has a number of international flights, although apparently that doesn't matter since no U.S. carriers are involved!
Adding 100 extra officers to Narita has the following effect: in each direction, I think (not sure) there are 2 places to go through in terminal 1 and 2 places in terminal 2. So that is 8 places where a passenger can interact with immigration. It takes 4 shifts, 5 if you have holiday time and vacation time, to cover 24/7, so doing the math, that means at most 3 extra positions open, on average, at each location if they have forced overtime for immigration staff.
With the additional time required, apparently on both entry and exit, this small an addition is, of course, a recipe for disaster, espcially with tired officers forced to do overtime.
Also, where are they going to get these extra immigration inspectors? Will they pull them off visa processing? What happens when they decide they no longer need the extra staff?
Whatever the mess is like, I will be experiencing it in 2 weeks. My condolences to those who have to experience it before I do.
Adding 100 extra officers to Narita has the following effect: in each direction, I think (not sure) there are 2 places to go through in terminal 1 and 2 places in terminal 2. So that is 8 places where a passenger can interact with immigration. It takes 4 shifts, 5 if you have holiday time and vacation time, to cover 24/7, so doing the math, that means at most 3 extra positions open, on average, at each location if they have forced overtime for immigration staff.
With the additional time required, apparently on both entry and exit, this small an addition is, of course, a recipe for disaster, espcially with tired officers forced to do overtime.
Also, where are they going to get these extra immigration inspectors? Will they pull them off visa processing? What happens when they decide they no longer need the extra staff?
Whatever the mess is like, I will be experiencing it in 2 weeks. My condolences to those who have to experience it before I do.
#150
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So it looks like of the big 3, KIX will be the least prepared and no thought at all has been given to Haneda, which has a number of international flights, although apparently that doesn't matter since no U.S. carriers are involved!
Adding 100 extra officers to Narita has the following effect: in each direction, I think (not sure) there are 2 places to go through in terminal 1 and 2 places in terminal 2. So that is 8 places where a passenger can interact with immigration. It takes 4 shifts, 5 if you have holiday time and vacation time, to cover 24/7, so doing the math, that means at most 3 extra positions open, on average, at each location if they have forced overtime for immigration staff.
With the additional time required, apparently on both entry and exit, this small an addition is, of course, a recipe for disaster, espcially with tired officers forced to do overtime.
Also, where are they going to get these extra immigration inspectors? Will they pull them off visa processing? What happens when they decide they no longer need the extra staff?
Whatever the mess is like, I will be experiencing it in 2 weeks. My condolences to those who have to experience it before I do.
Adding 100 extra officers to Narita has the following effect: in each direction, I think (not sure) there are 2 places to go through in terminal 1 and 2 places in terminal 2. So that is 8 places where a passenger can interact with immigration. It takes 4 shifts, 5 if you have holiday time and vacation time, to cover 24/7, so doing the math, that means at most 3 extra positions open, on average, at each location if they have forced overtime for immigration staff.
With the additional time required, apparently on both entry and exit, this small an addition is, of course, a recipe for disaster, espcially with tired officers forced to do overtime.
Also, where are they going to get these extra immigration inspectors? Will they pull them off visa processing? What happens when they decide they no longer need the extra staff?
Whatever the mess is like, I will be experiencing it in 2 weeks. My condolences to those who have to experience it before I do.