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drjazz Dec 8, 2005 8:41 pm

Knives in Tokyo
 
I'm looking to pick up a nice knife for a professional chef friend. Any suggestions for a good knife shop? I'm staying at the Park Hyatt.

jib71 Dec 8, 2005 10:09 pm


Originally Posted by drjazz
I'm looking to pick up a nice knife for a professional chef friend. Any suggestions for a good knife shop? I'm staying at the Park Hyatt.

Walk over to Tokyu Hands (which is in the Takashima Times Square development right by Shinjuku Station) and take a look at the kitchen floor there. They carry a wide range of knives - from cheapo up to professional grade.

If you don't find what you're looking for there, then you might want to make a trip to a knife-specialist like this one in Tsukiji:
http://www.nenohi.co.jp/tukiji/index.html

Tsukiji is a pretty good bet for any kind of culinary equipment because of all the restaurateurs who go there daily for their supplies.

I dont know a knife specialist in the area of the Park Hyatt, but I expect there is one in Shinjuku... maybe the concierge can hunt one down for you.

BTW - Is your friend accustomed to working with a Japanese knife? The blade is constructed quite differently from those of Western cooking knives.

BTW2 - I've come across this tradition in England and in Japan... when giving a knife, you make sure that the recipient gives you a penny in return. I think this must be because of some idea that a knife could "cut" the friendship, so it's better to make a transaction rather than a gift of a knife... Has anyone else come across this?

LapLap Dec 9, 2005 1:22 am


Originally Posted by jib71

BTW2 - I've come across this tradition in England and in Japan... when giving a knife, you make sure that the recipient gives you a penny in return. I think this must be because of some idea that a knife could "cut" the friendship, so it's better to make a transaction rather than a gift of a knife... Has anyone else come across this?

No I hadn't - bu I di know that you should never give a knife (or anything else sharp) as a wedding gift.
Thanks for the tip about the shop in Tsukiji - I have a bit of a knife fetish too.

Can I also suggest Kappa Bashi (between Ueno and Asakusa) they have HUNDREDS of kitchen shops dedicated to the thousands of restaurants - I saw an awful lot of knives here. But Tokyu Hands has a very good selection and will probably cover your needs.

(And I mentioned in another post about Japanese Hand Saws which are wonderful tools)

wideman Dec 9, 2005 5:16 am

OK, I'm curious: how are Japanese knife blades different from Western ones?

(And I promise no snide remarks about the Ginsu.)

Pickles Dec 9, 2005 8:51 am


Originally Posted by wideman
OK, I'm curious: how are Japanese knife blades different from Western ones?

(And I promise no snide remarks about the Ginsu.)

Their intestines are longer, because Japanese snow is different.

mrmakochan Dec 9, 2005 8:53 am


Originally Posted by Pickles
Their intestines are longer, because Japanese snow is different.

Sorrie I don't get it???

wideman Dec 9, 2005 10:14 am

Inscrutible Occidental.

Pickles Dec 9, 2005 11:01 am


Originally Posted by wideman
Inscrutible Occidental.

Did you know there is no word for "no" in Japanese?

abmj-jr Dec 9, 2005 12:45 pm


Originally Posted by Pickles
Did you know there is no word for "no" in Japanese?

Ok. You've got me confused, too. The knife thing and the "no" thing. I can think of at least 4 words/phrases and I'm not even fluent so I must have missed the point. The intestine/snow thing went right over my head, too.

Maybe I'm just not as bright as I used to think.

:confused: :confused: :confused:

JR

mosburger Dec 9, 2005 1:04 pm


Originally Posted by abmj-jr
Ok. You've got me confused, too. The knife thing and the "no" thing. I can think of at least 4 words/phrases and I'm not even fluent so I must have missed the point. The intestine/snow thing went right over my head, too.

Maybe I'm just not as bright as I used to think.

:confused: :confused: :confused:

JR

All of these things normally disappear with a shared bottlekeep and a few hostess bar visits. :)

wideman Dec 9, 2005 1:32 pm


Originally Posted by Pickles
Did you know there is no word for "no" in Japanese?

Gomen nasai, wakarimasen.

RichardInSF Dec 9, 2005 1:45 pm

Incidentally, you know those ineffectual policeman who you encounter when entering Narita airport? If they figure out you have some decently sized knives with you, there is a good chance they won't let you onto the airport premisses. However, they rarely open any bags, so just make sure they are neatly packed inside checked baggage and not in a separate box or anything like that. Or mail/fedex them home.

Pickles Dec 9, 2005 1:47 pm


Originally Posted by RichardInSF
Incidentally, you know those ineffectual policeman who you encounter when entering Narita airport? If they figure out you have some decently sized knives with you, there is a good chance they won't let you onto the airport premisses. However, they rarely open any bags, so just make sure they are neatly packed inside checked baggage and not in a separate box or anything like that. Or mail/fedex them home.

You mean the cops that check your ID before entering the airport premises? I know it is a remnant of the 70's when the farmers would get on the airport premises and regularly blow them up, but what's the purpose now?

monahos Dec 9, 2005 4:14 pm


Originally Posted by jib71
BTW2 - I've come across this tradition in England and in Japan... when giving a knife, you make sure that the recipient gives you a penny in return. I think this must be because of some idea that a knife could "cut" the friendship, so it's better to make a transaction rather than a gift of a knife... Has anyone else come across this?

This is exactly why, and the concept is applicable in Korea as well. I also never heard again from the Indian childhood friend I gave a Swiss knife to in 1978...

hoyateach Dec 9, 2005 4:37 pm

Back on topic, I can think of 2 places.

There's a place in an alley in Asaukusa that's pretty cool. The main temple has a walkway filled with souvenir shops and food stands. There is an alley to the left and to the right that run parallel to it. Go to the alley on the left (just to the left of the big red gate/lamp) and walk halfway down. It's on your left.

There's another place that sells Chinese cookware and Japanese knives midway down Chuka-gai-dori in Chinatown in Yokohama. Here's a map of Chinatown. http://gojapan.about.com/gi/dynamic/...Fspot1020.html

Good luck!

huts Dec 9, 2005 4:53 pm

For knives and other weird, wonderful and downright cool kitchen stuff, I recommend the Kappabashi district, where you can also get the plastic food items you see in Japanese restaurant windows (sushi keyrings make great souvenirs).

RichardInSF Dec 9, 2005 7:04 pm


Originally Posted by Pickles
You mean the cops that check your ID before entering the airport premises? I know it is a remnant of the 70's when the farmers would get on the airport premises and regularly blow them up, but what's the purpose now?

Yup, those guys. When my kids bought those phony dull samurai swords at Asakusa, those cops totally unwrapped them and personally verified they were the dull kind before letting us pass.

jib71 Dec 9, 2005 8:10 pm


Originally Posted by RichardInSF
Incidentally, you know those ineffectual policeman who you encounter when entering Narita airport? If they figure out you have some decently sized knives with you, there is a good chance they won't let you onto the airport premisses. However, they rarely open any bags, so just make sure they are neatly packed inside checked baggage and not in a separate box or anything like that. Or mail/fedex them home.

This reminds me of something...

Back in the 1989 or 1990, I was flying Aeroflot from NRT to LHR (via Moscow). Shortly after take-off, the Aeroflot FA handed my neighbour a couple of huge Japanese kitchen knives. I was somewhat concerned to be sitting next to an armed stranger for the next 9 hours, so I made friendly conversation...

He explained to me that he was a keen amateur cook and admirer of Japanese knives. Apparently, the policemen had confiscated them from him at the entrance to Narita airport, and they told him that the airline would return the knives to him after arrival in Moscow.... I was struck by the efficiency of the Narita police in delivering the knives to the airline... and the sloppiness of Aeroflot who didn't have any interest in knives.

I doubt that this could happen today.

jib71 Dec 9, 2005 8:26 pm


Originally Posted by wideman
OK, I'm curious: how are Japanese knife blades different from Western ones?

From a chef's point of view, the most significant difference between a Japanese knife and a Western knife is that nearly all Western knives are sharpened on both edges of the blade, whereas many traditional Japanese blades are sharpened on only one edge. This style is called "kataba" (片刃 ).

http://www.toyokuni.net/mente/dumen.htm

Most "kataba" blades are right-handed. So if you're shopping for a left-handed cook you need to ask for a special one with the left edge sharpened instead. (If you're interested, you can start another thread to discuss Japanese attitudes towards left-handedness).

Having only one edge of the knife sharpened allows for cleaner cuts and more precision, but learning to use only one edge requires practice. Needless to say, many Japanese people have opted for two-sided "ryouba" (両刃 ) knives for home-use.

There are other differences between Japanese blades and Western blades - in the types of steel and techniques used to build the blade. But I imagine that from a chef's point of view, these are not obstacles to using the knife.

I think the comments about Japanese intestines being longer (and no word for "no") are intended as examples of the bull$hit that Japanese trade negotiators have used to explain why Western products should not be admitted to these "unique and special" islands. "We can't allow your pharmaceuticals to be sold in Japan, because of the uniqueness of the Japanese digestive tract." etc.

In the case of Japanese knives, it is no bull$hit to say that Japanese blades are different.

ADDING LINK TO WIKIPEDIA. This tells you more than I can:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_kitchen_knives

Q Shoe Guy Dec 9, 2005 10:30 pm


Originally Posted by jib71
(If you're interested, you can start another thread to discuss Japanese attitudes towards left-handedness).

OH please let us not go there.......... :mad:

RichardInSF Dec 10, 2005 10:45 am

Totally off topic, but there is a store for lefties in London with the wonderful name "Our Customers Are Seldom Right."

LapLap Dec 11, 2005 3:50 am


Originally Posted by RichardInSF
Totally off topic, but there is a store for lefties in London with the wonderful name "Our Customers Are Seldom Right."

It's in front of a small japanese supermarket (and down the road from the Rice Wine shop) which I frequent regularly - and it's called 'Anything Left Handed' on Brewer Street - the above caption is the store's prominently displayed slogan.

RichardInSF Dec 11, 2005 9:40 am

Wow, your correction sort of got us back on topic! :)

I thought you were living in Tokyo these days.

LapLap Dec 12, 2005 1:15 am


Originally Posted by RichardInSF
Wow, your correction sort of got us back on topic! :)

I thought you were living in Tokyo these days.

Only partly, remember - home is where the heart is - and mine's most definitely living in Tokyo (as are my eyes and ears) :D

bocastephen Oct 15, 2025 5:54 pm

Resurrecting this thread for all things cookware. I am looking to replace a Japanese round bottom wok I bought here in LA that was never quite seasoned correctly and has now gained a unremovable thin layer of carbon "stuff" along one side and doesn't have much nonstick capability remaining.

I would like to start over with a new wok which I can pick up in a couple months when I'm back to Tokyo - not too expensive, maybe around 18" or so across the top, round bottom, Japanese style and high quality carbon steel - ideally pre-seasoned and ready to go.

Any suggestions on retailers with something that might fit the bill, or is it better to just wander around the kitchenware area of Asakusa and get something random?

joejones Oct 15, 2025 6:29 pm

I'd say Kappabashi is your best bet for any kind of cookware shopping, but if you don't want to trek out there, the big box electronics stores like Bic and Yodobashi should also have a good selection. (For example, here's what Yodobashi sells online)

Mizunara Oct 16, 2025 2:09 am

If you're looking for a wok, you might be better off trying to find something in your local Chinatown. It'll be a lot more convenient than making the trek out to Japan and trying to fit it in your suitcase to bring back.

bocastephen Oct 16, 2025 9:27 am


Originally Posted by Mizunara (Post 37375294)
If you're looking for a wok, you might be better off trying to find something in your local Chinatown. It'll be a lot more convenient than making the trek out to Japan and trying to fit it in your suitcase to bring back.

I’m in Japan frequently so I wouldn’t say I’m going there just for this - but I buy most of my stuff there, phone, laptop, Doltz dental care machines, rice cooker, my knives and endless food items I’m not allowed to buy here.

But for cookware like this, I’ll only buy a product made in Japan. We have Japanese cookware shops here that sell woks but they are prohibitively expensive especially given we’re enroute to 160JPY/USD, so I can buy it Tokyo for a fraction of the cost plus have more choices.


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