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Get ready for more HND international routes

Old Jan 30, 19, 9:34 am
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Get ready for more HND international routes

Nikkei reported a few hours ago that the Japanese and US governments agreed to loosen airspace restrictions west of Tokyo, where the US has a couple of major air bases and runs ATC. This will allow a significant increase in HND daytime slots (60,000 to 99,000/year), and they want to allocate the new slots in advance of the 2020 Olympics.
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Old Jan 30, 19, 4:13 pm
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It sounds like it will go away once the Olympics is done?
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Old Jan 30, 19, 5:59 pm
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Do you think we will see a complete shift of European flights to HND then? The flights feeding them will have issues but the alternative is duplicate flights? Maybe a highspeed rail link under the bay between airports?
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Old Jan 30, 19, 11:12 pm
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Do you think we will see a complete shift of European flights to HND then? The flights feeding them will have issues but the alternative is duplicate flights? Maybe a highspeed rail link under the bay between airports?
Wouldn't it be more reasonable and cheaper to connect NEX/Keikyu Airport lines to Haneda instead of building another line between Narita and Haneda? NEX already passes through Shinagawa so maybe just another split to Haneda Keikyu Airport line could in theory made to connect to Keisei main/Narita line so they can run express trains that way? Not sure how the timetables might look like hah. Many lines in Tokyo are starting to fuse or interconnect between different operators.

Hopefully that means we can get some red eye flights back from SFO to HND.
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Old Jan 31, 19, 12:20 am
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Article in English: https://asia.nikkei.com/Economy/US-m...Tokyo-s-Haneda

Not a temporary measure, but a long-term one. Probably won't affect existence of nighttime flights since these are new daytime slots.

Gate capacity is probably going to be a bottleneck, even though they are converting part of ANA's domestic T2 to accommodate international flights.
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Old Jan 31, 19, 12:53 am
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Originally Posted by LCUF View Post
Wouldn't it be more reasonable and cheaper to connect NEX/Keikyu Airport lines to Haneda instead of building another line between Narita and Haneda? NEX already passes through Shinagawa so maybe just another split to Haneda Keikyu Airport line could in theory made to connect to Keisei main/Narita line so they can run express trains that way? Not sure how the timetables might look like hah. Many lines in Tokyo are starting to fuse or interconnect between different operators.

Hopefully that means we can get some red eye flights back from SFO to HND.
Admittedly a pipe dream (oh the pun that is coming....)

I am thinking of the SIN, HKG, BKK originating flights that go on to Nth America or Europe and vice versa. If one arrives into HND and departs from NRT the current or expanded trains would require a very long connection. If a 15-20 minute transbay tube existed we could basically have both airports functioning as one whole.
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Old Feb 8, 19, 2:21 pm
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About half of the international portion of the new slots - 24 daily slot pairs - will be allocated for US flights, apparently as a concession for the US military giving up its airspace (Nikkei). There will be 12 pairs for Japanese airlines and 12 pairs for US airlines (FlightGlobal).

Per the FlightGlobal article, DOT is going to earmark each slot pair on the US side for a specific route, so the airlines will have to make compelling bids. Delta and American were trying to get route flexibility within the slots awarded to each carrier, but DOT shot this down. Should get interesting. Not too many hints about which routes we'll see, but AA said last year that its new HND routes would complement its existing NRT routes, not replace them. (Source in Japanese)

26 daily slot pairs are left over for flights to other international destinations.
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Old Feb 11, 19, 11:47 pm
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Will we finally see a HDN - BCN service? Hopefully...
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Old Feb 12, 19, 1:46 pm
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Will we finally see a HDN - BCN service? Hopefully...
BCN Barcelona?
Unlikely. Seasonal service might be a longshot.
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BCN Barcelona?
Unlikely. Seasonal service might be a longshot.
TOK - BCN route has been a strong rumour for some years now.
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Old Feb 12, 19, 9:13 pm
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Originally Posted by evergrn View Post
BCN Barcelona?
Unlikely. Seasonal service might be a longshot.
from HDN even more unlikely 😉
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Old Feb 12, 19, 9:28 pm
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Originally Posted by sodaisei View Post
TOK - BCN route has been a strong rumour for some years now.
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from HDN even more unlikely 😉
I would add that TOK is also even less likely.
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Old Feb 12, 19, 11:36 pm
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Originally Posted by evergrn View Post
I would add that TOK is also even less likely.
I obviously meant TYO but if it makes you happy I will clarify it.
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Originally Posted by sodaisei View Post
I obviously meant TYO but if it makes you happy I will clarify it.
my apologies, sometimes I can't help myself
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I would add that TOK is also even less likely.
OT but not often a fellow nerd crops up
fascinating- seems to be an unassigned IATA code? Wonder what the story is there?
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