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First time in Tokyo - Asakusa and Ueno

First time in Tokyo - Asakusa and Ueno

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Old Jan 17, 19, 10:49 am
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Have to admit that I was only visualising the OP starting at Narita Airport and perhaps wanting a cheap, direct route FROM Narita Airport to Asakusa.
My anticipation was that they would look for the departure time on Hyperdia. I mentioned (Tobu) only because that is the way to identify the route on Hyperdia, it’s not easy to find information on this route elsewhere.

I confess that I hadn’t fully considered the reality of getting back to Narita Airport from Asakusa.
And that’s why I post publically and avoid giving advice via PM. It seems impossible to consider every eventuality for everybody’s situation and from every person’s point of view.

No matter. It’s not the most pleasantly arrived at resolution, but between us we seem to have covered everything. It’s a shame that all this Data won’t read in the friendly way it was supposed to be conveyed.
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Old Jan 17, 19, 3:26 pm
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Old Jan 17, 19, 8:40 pm
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Originally Posted by abmj-jr View Post
Is that relatively new or did I just miss it? I always used the subway to/from Ueno and the Skyliner to/from NRT. Wish I'd known about an easier/cheaper way.
I was using these Keisei/Toei 'no-connection' trains from NRT through to Higash-Ginza and further, back in 2015.

From Narita airport, Keisei's 'Access Express' service has trains that feed into the Toei Asakusa (and Keikyu) lines, through the Toei Asakusa and Higashi-Ginza subway stations and onto HND. Conversely, there are trains from as far south as Nishi-Magome that head back along the same series of Toei (not Tobu) Asakusa line stations, into the Keisei line towards NRT.

So you stay on board either way. The trick is that these through trains run more frequently during the early morning and late afternoon hours, from what I had seen on Hyperdia and Google Maps. See: Toei Asakusa Subway Line

It's a southern corridor away from the JR Sobu/Chuo/Yamanote rail network, the latter of which partly converges on Tokyo Station via Shibuya, Shinagawa, Shinjuku etc., which JR's Narita Express serves well.

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Old Jan 18, 19, 12:41 am
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Just to check. Nobody has come across a timetable for the thru service from Narita Airport to Asakusa (and Sengakuji) have they?
I’d love to find this.
Am always a little nervous relying exclusively on Hyperdia (this thread is yet another example of why that is) but I’ve not found any alternative way to pick out the train times.

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Always good to learn, and I have gained a glimpse into a different way people perceive and think about interlinked stations. May prove helpful when giving information about my local Kings Cross/St Pancras/Thameslink stations as well as others, such as Bank/Monument, here in London.
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Old Jan 18, 19, 3:41 am
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Originally Posted by LapLap View Post
Just to check. Nobody has come across a timetable for the thru service from Narita Airport to Asakusa (and Sengakuji) have they?
Iíd love to find this.
Am always a little nervous relying exclusively on Hyperdia (this thread is yet another example of why that is) but Iíve not found any alternative way to pick out the train times.

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Always good to learn, and I have gained a glimpse into a different way people perceive and think about interlinked stations. May prove helpful when giving information about my local Kings Cross/St Pancras/Thameslink stations as well as others, such as Bank/Monument, here in London.
All on the Keisei website, @LapLap:

Timetable/Route Map | KEISEI Electric Railway

OT, but as for London, have you seen these maps?

https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/201...nd-station-ab/
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Old Jan 18, 19, 4:24 am
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Originally Posted by stut View Post
Thank you, I’ve seen this but I still need to refer to/cross check with Hyperdia as the timetable doesn’t distinguish between trains that run direct to Asakusa/Sengakuji and those that require a change (eg at Aoto)
An example is the one that leaves Narita T1 weekdays at 22:03 (AU)
It didn’t seem like the definitive timetable I was hoping for, but it is probably as good as it gets.
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OT, but as for London, have you seen these maps?

https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/201...nd-station-ab/
I hadn’t, they are brilliant. Thanks!
They also do bring to relief the idea that the whole concept of a station can be very different according to personal perception and where one is within - or outside of - that station/stations at the time.
Looked at the wrong Kings Cross map (thee are two) and got very confused!

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Old Jan 18, 19, 4:36 am
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Originally Posted by LapLap View Post
Thank you, Iíve seen this but I still need to refer to/cross check with Hyperdia as the timetable doesnít distinguish between trains that run direct to Asakusa/Sengakuji and those that require a change (eg at Aoto)
An example is the one that leaves Narita T1 weekdays at 22:03 (AU)
It didnít seem like the definitive timetable I was hoping for, but it is probably as good as it gets.
Basically, the AH ones (headed for Haneda) call at the Asakusa line stations. The AU ones carry on to Ueno, and so need a change at Aoto.

Of course, there may be more definitive information on the Japanese language site, but that's way beyond my ability
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Old Jan 18, 19, 4:48 am
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Originally Posted by stut View Post
Basically, the AH ones (headed for Haneda) call at the Asakusa line stations. The AU ones carry on to Ueno, and so need a change at Aoto.
Aha! And I can’t have noticed that as my focus was fixed on the 23:00 departure (AB which is a “thru train”)

http://www.keisei.co.jp/keisei/tetud...able/index.php

So the full timetable for Access Express trains that go to Asakusa (and Sengakuji) that do not require a change are those marked by the letters
AH, AM, AB & AN
Also the weekend/holiday AK trains

Those with AU (towards Ueno - I get it now) require the change.

Yeay!

Thanks again!

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Old Jan 18, 19, 9:12 am
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Instead of Hyperdia, I would strongly recommend using Google Maps for transit directions. You can plan a journey from exact point to exact point, and it will consider all of the available station and transfer options, including walking time. Google also has the limousine bus timetables loaded and will show you bus options alongside train options.

Here's an example of directions from NRT T1 to the Sheraton Miyako - check out the "Schedule Explorer" for a nice visual representation of the different options and how long they would take.
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Old Jan 18, 19, 9:54 am
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Theoretically, that’s great. I hadn’t realised Google Maps had caught up so much with public transport. And as you said, it has local bus routes too, amazing! (97品 from Sengakuji - when it isn’t too late)

On the other hand, I can’t get the date to scroll past the 2nd February. Is that because it can’t show you journeys very far in advance?
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Old Jan 18, 19, 12:44 pm
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You should be able to choose any date and time if you look under the "Depart at" header in the sidebar, but they seem to only have schedules loaded through mid-March.
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Old Jan 18, 19, 1:28 pm
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Originally Posted by LapLap View Post
Theoretically, thatís great. I hadnít realised Google Maps had caught up so much with public transport. And as you said, it has local bus routes too, amazing! (97品 from Sengakuji - when it isnít too late)
I use and like Google Maps for navigating, but it does have some quirks.

Sometimes I find I need to move the starting location to see the route that I want. And for local buses in Tokyo, it often has a mix of untranslated Japanese and romaji which can make it a little difficult. We ended up on the wrong bus from Mita station because we didn't realize there were two different local bus systems stopping right next to each other. Both the stop and bus were clearly signed in English with Minato Community Bus but that wasn't in Google Maps.
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Old Jan 19, 19, 1:01 am
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Originally Posted by LapLap View Post
Theoretically, that’s great. I hadn’t realised Google Maps had caught up so much with public transport. And as you said, it has local bus routes too, amazing! (97品 from Sengakuji - when it isn’t too late)

On the other hand, I can’t get the date to scroll past the 2nd February. Is that because it can’t show you journeys very far in advance?
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You should be able to choose any date and time if you look under the "Depart at" header in the sidebar, but they seem to only have schedules loaded through mid-March.
Using Google Maps on iOS, the example NRT-to-Sheraton route that joejones posted can be projected up to March 15. So perhaps Google Maps in Japan is good for up to 60 days in the future.
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Old Jan 19, 19, 5:28 am
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i often cross-check google maps with hyperdia. google maps can give funny result at times.

re the Keikyu/Toei/Keisei thru train, It must have been 5 years now!? (add: https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%BA...89%B9%E6%80%A5 since 2013/10/25)

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Old Jan 19, 19, 12:11 pm
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google maps can give funny result at times.
I'd agree with this.

My choice is transit.yahoo.co.jp There's no English version, though.
You can adjust results based on how fast/slow you can negotiate any tranfers, plus the results provide handy links which easily let you identify later trains for the given station.

For me, Hyperdia's only advantage is that it lets you screen out bullet trains that JR Pass is not valid on. So I only use Hyperdia if I'm using JR Pass, which is rare.
But for non-Japanese readers, I would think Google map + Hyperdia is good.

Anyways, sorry this is getting off-topic...
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