Where to stay on points in Kyoto and Tokyo?
#31
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I would respectfully disagree. Much better valuation on those certificates if used in Tokyo at Andaz or Park Hyatt, which are also better hotels than Conrad.
I would suggest using the Hyatt certs in tokyo, and SPG/R-C pooints, which are interchangeable, for either R-C Kyoto or Suiran. Westin Miyako of Hyatt Regency on points would also be acceptable chooces is the former two weren’t available. HR Kyoto is a good hotel, but nothing to write home about, and additionally it is typically less expensive both for paid stays or in terms of points, which is the reason I wouldn’t choose to burn the certs there.
I would suggest using the Hyatt certs in tokyo, and SPG/R-C pooints, which are interchangeable, for either R-C Kyoto or Suiran. Westin Miyako of Hyatt Regency on points would also be acceptable chooces is the former two weren’t available. HR Kyoto is a good hotel, but nothing to write home about, and additionally it is typically less expensive both for paid stays or in terms of points, which is the reason I wouldn’t choose to burn the certs there.
#32
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Glad you had a nice time.
Also good to hear that other chains are taking care of elites so well.
On my recent trip to Jpn, I did 4 separate stays at 3 different Hilton properties as a Diamond. I only got upgraded once on the trip, and that was a measly 1-category upgrade. Hilton's becoming precipitously less generous with upgrades and other things.
Also good to hear that other chains are taking care of elites so well.
On my recent trip to Jpn, I did 4 separate stays at 3 different Hilton properties as a Diamond. I only got upgraded once on the trip, and that was a measly 1-category upgrade. Hilton's becoming precipitously less generous with upgrades and other things.
#34
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For Kyoto,
both SPG properties are super out of the way. so HR and RC is the way to go. without including taxis i think HR is better in terms of bus routes (Kyoto is a city that relies more on buses than the metro). RC is better for views on the river and trains to Osaka. (I've stayed at all 3 bar suiran, and knows the Suiran area rather well.)
For Tokyo. Conrad definately has the best location of all the western chains - no if buts or whatever else. My experience with the hotel wasnt that good, but still, the location cannot be beaten - the far end of Ginza and is located near JR, metro, and Keikyu (thru trains to both airports). Unless you want to be in Roppongi, then you can stay at the dated GH.
both SPG properties are super out of the way. so HR and RC is the way to go. without including taxis i think HR is better in terms of bus routes (Kyoto is a city that relies more on buses than the metro). RC is better for views on the river and trains to Osaka. (I've stayed at all 3 bar suiran, and knows the Suiran area rather well.)
For Tokyo. Conrad definately has the best location of all the western chains - no if buts or whatever else. My experience with the hotel wasnt that good, but still, the location cannot be beaten - the far end of Ginza and is located near JR, metro, and Keikyu (thru trains to both airports). Unless you want to be in Roppongi, then you can stay at the dated GH.
#35
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That leaves the Yurikamome from Shiodome, but boarding that for 1 station to Shimbashi every time you want to go somewhere is a bit frustrating in its own way...
Of course, a quick ride on a cab solves everything, but the same goes for other hotels as well. I'd personally rate the Conrad's location as slightly better than the IC Tokyo Bay...but the IC also has free buses (albeit not too frequent) to Hamamatsucho/Shinagawa, which has Tokyo Monorail (HND) and Narita Express (NRT) service respectively.
Transit-wise, IC the Strings probably wins overall, while the Hyatt Centric Ginza's location is hard to beat for tourism.
Then there's the Peninsula in Hibiya, the Four Seasons and the Shangri-La around Tokyo station, etc but they tend to be at a higher price bracket.
Btw why weren't you satisfied with the experience at the Conrad? I have a stay there coming up, so I'm curious as to what I need to be looking out for.
#36
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But I'm not sure that the Conrad's location is particularly convenient - especially in a Tokyo summer. (OT: these 36 celsius days are steadily chipping away at my sanity...) Sure, Shimbashi's within walking distance; call me lazy, but I wouldn't be too keen on the 10 minute walk to/from the station around this time of year - especially if it's 3PM and you have luggage with you. And if you're dragging suitcases onto a non-Skyliner Keisei train from Narita into the Asakusa line, you're sure to get some nasty glares from commuters depending on when your flight leaves/arrives - not to mention the fact that it takes ages.
That leaves the Yurikamome from Shiodome, but boarding that for 1 station to Shimbashi every time you want to go somewhere is a bit frustrating in its own way...
Of course, a quick ride on a cab solves everything, but the same goes for other hotels as well. I'd personally rate the Conrad's location as slightly better than the IC Tokyo Bay...but the IC also has free buses (albeit not too frequent) to Hamamatsucho/Shinagawa, which has Tokyo Monorail (HND) and Narita Express (NRT) service respectively.
Transit-wise, IC the Strings probably wins overall, while the Hyatt Centric Ginza's location is hard to beat for tourism.
Then there's the Peninsula in Hibiya, the Four Seasons and the Shangri-La around Tokyo station, etc but they tend to be at a higher price bracket.
Btw why weren't you satisfied with the experience at the Conrad? I have a stay there coming up, so I'm curious as to what I need to be looking out for.
That leaves the Yurikamome from Shiodome, but boarding that for 1 station to Shimbashi every time you want to go somewhere is a bit frustrating in its own way...
Of course, a quick ride on a cab solves everything, but the same goes for other hotels as well. I'd personally rate the Conrad's location as slightly better than the IC Tokyo Bay...but the IC also has free buses (albeit not too frequent) to Hamamatsucho/Shinagawa, which has Tokyo Monorail (HND) and Narita Express (NRT) service respectively.
Transit-wise, IC the Strings probably wins overall, while the Hyatt Centric Ginza's location is hard to beat for tourism.
Then there's the Peninsula in Hibiya, the Four Seasons and the Shangri-La around Tokyo station, etc but they tend to be at a higher price bracket.
Btw why weren't you satisfied with the experience at the Conrad? I have a stay there coming up, so I'm curious as to what I need to be looking out for.
It's not horrible, but it's definitely not one of its virtues.
I've stayed there quite a few times now, but it's extremely difficult to find coming from Shinbashi Station. Going from the hotel to Shinbashi Station tends to be easier because you just follow the signs. And there're better stations to be close to than Shinbashi. It's more convenient to be near Shinagawa, Tokyo or Shinjuku station. Also there's not much in the immediate vicinity of Conrad. Shiodome is really a concrete jungle of primarily office buildings.
As for Conrad experiences, what I find annoying about the hotel is that they're not generous like Conrad HKG. I've never been granted a checkout later than 2pm. They will charge (~7000yen, I think) for a rollaway. They try to charge you EL access fee (~4500yen) for your child that's staying free. They give you all of 1 soap for the entire bathroom even though there're 2 sinks, tub and separate shower room. The best thing about the Conrad is the room layout, the pool and the amazing breakfast.
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But I'm not sure that the Conrad's location is particularly convenient - especially in a Tokyo summer. (OT: these 36 celsius days are steadily chipping away at my sanity...) Sure, Shimbashi's within walking distance; call me lazy, but I wouldn't be too keen on the 10 minute walk to/from the station around this time of year - especially if it's 3PM and you have luggage with you. And if you're dragging suitcases onto a non-Skyliner Keisei train from Narita into the Asakusa line, you're sure to get some nasty glares from commuters depending on when your flight leaves/arrives - not to mention the fact that it takes ages.
That leaves the Yurikamome from Shiodome, but boarding that for 1 station to Shimbashi every time you want to go somewhere is a bit frustrating in its own way...
Of course, a quick ride on a cab solves everything, but the same goes for other hotels as well. I'd personally rate the Conrad's location as slightly better than the IC Tokyo Bay...but the IC also has free buses (albeit not too frequent) to Hamamatsucho/Shinagawa, which has Tokyo Monorail (HND) and Narita Express (NRT) service respectively.
Transit-wise, IC the Strings probably wins overall, while the Hyatt Centric Ginza's location is hard to beat for tourism.
Then there's the Peninsula in Hibiya, the Four Seasons and the Shangri-La around Tokyo station, etc but they tend to be at a higher price bracket.
Btw why weren't you satisfied with the experience at the Conrad? I have a stay there coming up, so I'm curious as to what I need to be looking out for.
That leaves the Yurikamome from Shiodome, but boarding that for 1 station to Shimbashi every time you want to go somewhere is a bit frustrating in its own way...
Of course, a quick ride on a cab solves everything, but the same goes for other hotels as well. I'd personally rate the Conrad's location as slightly better than the IC Tokyo Bay...but the IC also has free buses (albeit not too frequent) to Hamamatsucho/Shinagawa, which has Tokyo Monorail (HND) and Narita Express (NRT) service respectively.
Transit-wise, IC the Strings probably wins overall, while the Hyatt Centric Ginza's location is hard to beat for tourism.
Then there's the Peninsula in Hibiya, the Four Seasons and the Shangri-La around Tokyo station, etc but they tend to be at a higher price bracket.
Btw why weren't you satisfied with the experience at the Conrad? I have a stay there coming up, so I'm curious as to what I need to be looking out for.
but the strings from the train platform u still hv to walk across the rail tracks then 2-3 bldgs so u are not anywhere better than the rest. And all 3 ICs are defo not as nice as conrad/pht/other hyatts