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Pickles Aug 4, 2019 7:35 pm


Originally Posted by mjm (Post 31376595)
The other is that riders are encouraged to stand two abreast so that a greater volume of people may be moved at the same time.

Actually the highest volume would be achieved by having both sides of the escalator to be walking. Let's encourage that instead!

bocastephen Aug 4, 2019 7:51 pm


Originally Posted by Pickles (Post 31379627)
Actually the highest volume would be achieved by having both sides of the escalator to be walking. Let's encourage that instead!

The main reason they discourage walking is due to the number of falls and accidents that were occurring.

Busymann Aug 4, 2019 8:18 pm


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 31376698)


True, but I personally feel it's not my place as a foreigner to be the busy body enforcing JR's new rules that from my observation last week, 95% of people are ignoring. I would just feel strange and uncomfortable doing so. With the temperature in Shinagawa Station feeling about 120, I was perfectly happy to stand on the left and move as little as possible.

Nailed it.

When I was there, I saw NO ONE standing side by side 100% of the time. I also saw no accidents either.

I read that one of the rules they want enforced also is to have a step between the next person. Well, no one really did that either.

To add to that, if folks change and keep a step in-between yet stand side by side when they didn't previously, you aren't getting more people on the escalator.

I understand this was about safety but someone mentioned more people being transported.

Eh

mjm Aug 5, 2019 2:20 am


Originally Posted by Busymann (Post 31379717)
Nailed it.

When I was there, I saw NO ONE standing side by side 100% of the time. I also saw no accidents either.

I read that one of the rules they want enforced also is to have a step between the next person. Well, no one really did that either.

To add to that, if folks change and keep a step in-between yet stand side by side when they didn't previously, you aren't getting more people on the escalator.

I understand this was about safety but someone mentioned more people being transported.

Eh

Safety and volume of movement. Yes. Much like a double-deck elevator moves more people at the same time. As this is more fully adopted the efficacy will increase. This idea goes against long and widely established behavior so it will take time to get up to speed.

mjm Aug 5, 2019 2:21 am


Originally Posted by Pickles (Post 31379627)
Actually the highest volume would be achieved by having both sides of the escalator to be walking. Let's encourage that instead!

Everyone moving would only serve to empty the escalator faster. The same number of people can board in either case. ;)

hailstorm Aug 5, 2019 3:48 am


Originally Posted by Busymann (Post 31379717)
When I was there, I saw NO ONE standing side by side 100% of the time. I also saw no accidents either.

You've also never seen anyone killed by a revolving door. But it happened, and that one incident was enough to forever change how they operate in Japan. Likely resulting of hundreds of thousands of hours of incrementally wasted time since, but for good reason.

jib71 Aug 5, 2019 8:09 am

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Taipei Aug 8, 2019 8:16 am


Originally Posted by hailstorm (Post 31342856)
Bump, as JR has stepped up their efforts as of late. Big posters by the escalator entrances in multiple languages informing of the "proper" use of the escalators, and even the occasional station attendee standing by thr escalators to enforce them.


There's probably a big expanse of inaka between them where few, if any, escalators exist.

Good effort on JR to speed up the change. In general I stand, if someone does say something I remind them of the rules. In Taiwan, I have also people tell me move in different languages (Chinese, then Japanese then English if no response as I look like Japanese as I am (Mixed)) and most cases they just wait. I spend a lot of time in Kaoshiung in southern Taiwan and it seems many people just stand which bothers people/co workers from Taipei a lot.

hailstorm Mar 27, 2021 12:22 am

Yesterday an ordinance requiring people riding the escalator to stand still on the escalator regardless of which side of it they are on was voted on and approved in the Saitama Prefectural government.

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/202...937541000.html

The ordinance goes in effect from October. Regardless, there will still be no penalty imposed for failing to stand still on the escalator.

jib71 Mar 27, 2021 12:51 am


Originally Posted by hailstorm (Post 33129735)
Yesterday an ordinance requiring people riding the escalator to stand still on the escalator regardless of which side of it they are on was voted on and approved in the Saitama Prefectural government.

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/202...937541000.html

The ordinance goes in effect from October. Regardless, there will still be no penalty imposed for failing to stand still on the escalator.

There's an escalator in Saitama. Who knew?

nishimark Mar 27, 2021 3:32 am

That ordinance will probably be as effective as the ones saying no bicycle riding on sidewalks.

5khours Mar 27, 2021 5:16 am


Originally Posted by jib71 (Post 33129755)
There's an escalator in Saitama. Who knew?

Wow. I didn't even know they had electrified the place. Where is Saitama anyway? Tohoku? Or is it farther north?

The _Banking_Scot Mar 27, 2021 9:28 am


Originally Posted by 5khours (Post 33129950)
Wow. I didn't even know they had electrified the place. Where is Saitama anyway? Tohoku? Or is it farther north?

Hi,
Looks like it is just outside Tokyo ( maybe 30km) ) NNW , on the Tohoku main line.

Regards

TBS

rustykettel Mar 27, 2021 11:28 am

Home of the Saitama Railway Museum (another entry on my ever growing list of places to visit).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail...seum_(Saitama)

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/japa...seum-june.html

5khours Mar 27, 2021 1:00 pm


Originally Posted by The _Banking_Scot (Post 33130266)
Hi,
Looks like it is just outside Tokyo ( maybe 30km) ) NNW , on the Tohoku main line.

Ah. An impressive display of cartographic mastery.


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