Is there a thing called "Japanese claustrophobia"?
#16
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Being white in Japan means that people won't think you're learning disabled, they'll just treat you like you are.
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The culture things comes and goes in cycles. Over time the cycles get longer and less pronounced. You kind of need to treat it as a game.
I'm sure there are no penalties for ignoring garbage rules. There never are for local ordinances. If the garbage Nazis hassle you, just tell them its a privacy/ human rights things and threaten to report them to the police for violation of the national privacy laws.
I'm surprised anyone working at 7/11 these days is Japanese and knows about Japanese etiquette.
The reason that you get different treatment as a non-Caucasian Asian is not because they don't know you're a foreigner, it's because the Japanese are racists and believe other Asians are below them on the pecking order.
I'm sure there are no penalties for ignoring garbage rules. There never are for local ordinances. If the garbage Nazis hassle you, just tell them its a privacy/ human rights things and threaten to report them to the police for violation of the national privacy laws.
I'm surprised anyone working at 7/11 these days is Japanese and knows about Japanese etiquette.
The reason that you get different treatment as a non-Caucasian Asian is not because they don't know you're a foreigner, it's because the Japanese are racists and believe other Asians are below them on the pecking order.
#18
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Gaijin da!
Forgot their rules. You get the automatic gaijin pass for everything and make sure that you use the card as often as possible. The Japanese do not expect you to know or understand their 10,000 page handbook.
Just make sure you don't write too many gomen nasai letters to the omawarisan.
Just make sure you don't write too many gomen nasai letters to the omawarisan.
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I Love It Here!
All the Japanese cultural oddities seem normal and weirdly logical now that I have been coming here for 30 years on business.
Also, goinggoinggone is absolutely correct: You get a "Gaijin-Pass" for any perceived cultural slight or misdemeanor you commit, so don't worry so much.
I eat food on the street all the time, and nobody ever gives me a second look.
I do, however, always respect the no cell phone talking on public transportation or in restaurants rule, because I too believe that it is very rude and disrespectful behavior, so much so that when I am back in America and hear people talking on their cell phones in public, it now drives me crazy.
Also, goinggoinggone is absolutely correct: You get a "Gaijin-Pass" for any perceived cultural slight or misdemeanor you commit, so don't worry so much.
I eat food on the street all the time, and nobody ever gives me a second look.
I do, however, always respect the no cell phone talking on public transportation or in restaurants rule, because I too believe that it is very rude and disrespectful behavior, so much so that when I am back in America and hear people talking on their cell phones in public, it now drives me crazy.
#20
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Visiting on business is a different kettle of fish to living in Japan as one of the extraordinary ordinaries.
Originally Posted by Pulp
But she didn't understand,
she just smiled and held my hand.
Rent a flat above a shop,
cut your hair and get a job.
Smoke some fags and play some pool,
pretend you never went to school.
But still you'll never get it right,
cos when you're laid in bed at night,
watching roaches climb the wall,
if you call your Dad he could stop it all.
You'll never live like common people,
you'll never do what common people do,
you'll never fail like common people,
you'll never watch your life slide out of view,
and dance and drink and screw,
because there's nothing else to do.
she just smiled and held my hand.
Rent a flat above a shop,
cut your hair and get a job.
Smoke some fags and play some pool,
pretend you never went to school.
But still you'll never get it right,
cos when you're laid in bed at night,
watching roaches climb the wall,
if you call your Dad he could stop it all.
You'll never live like common people,
you'll never do what common people do,
you'll never fail like common people,
you'll never watch your life slide out of view,
and dance and drink and screw,
because there's nothing else to do.
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It also doesn't work very well if you have a Japanese spouse or other family members. People will bypass you and go to them with your transgressions, causing a lot of internal strife.
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This is so true.
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#26
I'm not sure how to describe it but recently I feel really claustrophobic living in Japan.
Everything seems civil and orderly on the onset but discover so many unwritten procedures and non spoken yet readily accepted rules of conduct that I feel like I am in a very small closet, hand cuffed and smothered.
Went to 711 to pick up a snack. Told the cashier that I don't need a bag because I was going to eat it right away. She told me, please don't! This neighborhood doesn't like people eating and walking. Got home and my wife agreed with her and said "This is Japan, not Canada, not China."
I can't seem to do anything right (the Japanese way) and I am feeling really suffocated.
Everything seems civil and orderly on the onset but discover so many unwritten procedures and non spoken yet readily accepted rules of conduct that I feel like I am in a very small closet, hand cuffed and smothered.
Went to 711 to pick up a snack. Told the cashier that I don't need a bag because I was going to eat it right away. She told me, please don't! This neighborhood doesn't like people eating and walking. Got home and my wife agreed with her and said "This is Japan, not Canada, not China."
I can't seem to do anything right (the Japanese way) and I am feeling really suffocated.
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There are nutty people everywhere, particularly in what amount to retirement communities. As someone who grew up in Florida, perhaps I am just immune to it. That said, if your family take strangers' sides against you, it means that either you are seriously in the wrong, or it's time to find a new family.
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Nobody will ever understand Japanese society without a fundamental understanding of the concepts of Uchi-soto.
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Nobody will ever understand Japanese society without a fundamental understanding of the concepts of Uchi-soto.
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