Coronavirus travel waiver / service changes
Feb 26, 2020, 4:47 am
#46
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unfortunately JAL isn't focusing on increasing the number of elites. JAL wants to reduce the number.
Hence the reduced FOP campaigns (2x -> 1.5x, No new destination double FOP =Bengaluru, Vladivostok etc. and reduced earnings on domestic legs of international tickets from 2021).
So, you better scramble for alternative ways to make/keep JGP/Diamond this year. Many are in your situation, and many have anticipated that the Olympics would make summer/autumn travel too expensive, so many have planned around those events. Expect autumn/winter to get really expensive going on....
I have already focused on KUL/SIN/ISG touch tickets, and booked myself to requalify for the year. But now, I have NRT-PUS this weekend...and are monitoring the virus situation closely...
If I were you, and were based in Asia, the easiest way is to invest in KUL-SIN-HND-ISG returns in one month, coupled with the 1.5x FOP month, and you will easily make JGP with only 4 weekend trips.
(18,970 FOP/trip at 3,900 MYR/880 USD/97,000JPY per trip for a FOP rate of less than 5usCPM /5yenPM).
But this is not the topic of the thread. Back to coronavirus...
Hence the reduced FOP campaigns (2x -> 1.5x, No new destination double FOP =Bengaluru, Vladivostok etc. and reduced earnings on domestic legs of international tickets from 2021).
So, you better scramble for alternative ways to make/keep JGP/Diamond this year. Many are in your situation, and many have anticipated that the Olympics would make summer/autumn travel too expensive, so many have planned around those events. Expect autumn/winter to get really expensive going on....
I have already focused on KUL/SIN/ISG touch tickets, and booked myself to requalify for the year. But now, I have NRT-PUS this weekend...and are monitoring the virus situation closely...
If I were you, and were based in Asia, the easiest way is to invest in KUL-SIN-HND-ISG returns in one month, coupled with the 1.5x FOP month, and you will easily make JGP with only 4 weekend trips.
(18,970 FOP/trip at 3,900 MYR/880 USD/97,000JPY per trip for a FOP rate of less than 5usCPM /5yenPM).
But this is not the topic of the thread. Back to coronavirus...
I wonder how many road warriors are willing to do mileage run on their own money at least for now. 100-150k yen, maybe, but I personally don’t think I will be willing to spend nearly 400k yen and 4 days to do 4x return trip just to requalify for JGP. Most of my FOP comes from business trip which are now all cancelled - I have had to cancel 1 biz trip to India and 2 domestic trips so far this month. And my company now requires employees to report their personal travel too, with possible 14 days required quarantine upon returning which of course will discourage most people from traveling, even personally.
Feb 26, 2020, 5:05 am
#47
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Yes I’m aware that JAL is probably trying to cull the elite no, but there must be a line when too much loss will do them more harm than good. Given that so many companies are already applying blanket ban on travel for the foreseeable future, here we are talking about business travelers who are not price sensitive, not milage runners looking to maximize FOP for their buck.
I wonder how many road warriors are willing to do mileage run on their own money at least for now. 100-150k yen, maybe, but I personally don’t think I will be willing to spend nearly 400k yen and 4 days to do 4x return trip just to requalify for JGP. Most of my FOP comes from business trip which are now all cancelled - I have had to cancel 1 biz trip to India and 2 domestic trips so far this month. And my company now requires employees to report their personal travel too, with possible 14 days required quarantine upon returning which of course will discourage most people from traveling, even personally.
I wonder how many road warriors are willing to do mileage run on their own money at least for now. 100-150k yen, maybe, but I personally don’t think I will be willing to spend nearly 400k yen and 4 days to do 4x return trip just to requalify for JGP. Most of my FOP comes from business trip which are now all cancelled - I have had to cancel 1 biz trip to India and 2 domestic trips so far this month. And my company now requires employees to report their personal travel too, with possible 14 days required quarantine upon returning which of course will discourage most people from traveling, even personally.
Last edited by CPH-Flyer; Feb 26, 2020 at 9:48 pm
Feb 26, 2020, 6:32 am
#48
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I haven't had the privilege of being able to qualify at JGP or higher, so I'm happy just to be slumming it in JGC Crystal next year, personally.
Feb 26, 2020, 7:04 am
#49
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Just cancelled my trip to Busan this weekend. Seems Korea is getting on the coronaban list soon. (Daegu is the trigger, and more will likely follow).
Of course, MR to keep status is for a select few.
Biz trips cut definitel mean elite requalification for many will be in jeopardy.
Maybe JAL will offer something to the long term Diamonds, but as it is, the JGC card and Sapphire is the fall-back option for many.
Of course, MR to keep status is for a select few.
Biz trips cut definitel mean elite requalification for many will be in jeopardy.
Maybe JAL will offer something to the long term Diamonds, but as it is, the JGC card and Sapphire is the fall-back option for many.
Feb 26, 2020, 9:05 pm
#50
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Anyone been in the lounge NRT or HND since the change this week?
curious what's happened wirh food and beverage/liquor? Especially in the NRT F lounge.
will be pretty disappointing if the AA or QF lounge become the most appealing ones during this.
curious what's happened wirh food and beverage/liquor? Especially in the NRT F lounge.
will be pretty disappointing if the AA or QF lounge become the most appealing ones during this.
Feb 27, 2020, 5:27 am
#51
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JAL has updated the lounge service modification language
【International Lounge in Japan】individual meal /packaging service or service provided by staff in order to ensure that customers can receive the service with peace of mind.
【Domestic Lounge】 we will provide packaging meal service.
【International Lounge in Japan】individual meal /packaging service or service provided by staff in order to ensure that customers can receive the service with peace of mind.
【Domestic Lounge】 we will provide packaging meal service.
Feb 27, 2020, 7:29 am
#52
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Feb 27, 2020, 7:51 am
#53
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Feb 27, 2020, 8:52 am
#54
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I'll be interesting to hear how this is in practice. I won't see myself until next week. I have a KE flight Wednesday in C from HND, so usually would be the Sakura Skyview, but as that's currently being used as the JL F / OWE lounge (and shockingly crowded), then I would not be surprised if KE isn't currently relegated to the Sky Lounge instead. Then I have a JL flight from NRT Thursday night where I'll have a look in the F lounge. Though if it's limited service as the website leads to believe I'll just head off to the CX, QF, or AA lounges. If the availability of food and booze is the same or similar, but must be served by staff, that's fine, but if we're suddenly only able to get plastic wrapped stuff with strange (to western tastes) ingredients like in Lawson's and Family Mart then no thanks.
I was curious if anyone here has had international flights yet out of NRT/HND since the 25th to give a first hand rundown. I suppose this could be a new thread, though it's Corona related, it's also going to affect a lot more people than the Wuhan waiver where this thread started.
I was curious if anyone here has had international flights yet out of NRT/HND since the 25th to give a first hand rundown. I suppose this could be a new thread, though it's Corona related, it's also going to affect a lot more people than the Wuhan waiver where this thread started.
Feb 27, 2020, 2:53 pm
#55
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I'll be interesting to hear how this is in practice. I won't see myself until next week. I have a KE flight Wednesday in C from HND, so usually would be the Sakura Skyview, but as that's currently being used as the JL F / OWE lounge (and shockingly crowded), then I would not be surprised if KE isn't currently relegated to the Sky Lounge instead. Then I have a JL flight from NRT Thursday night where I'll have a look in the F lounge. Though if it's limited service as the website leads to believe I'll just head off to the CX, QF, or AA lounges. If the availability of food and booze is the same or similar, but must be served by staff, that's fine, but if we're suddenly only able to get plastic wrapped stuff with strange (to western tastes) ingredients like in Lawson's and Family Mart then no thanks.
I was curious if anyone here has had international flights yet out of NRT/HND since the 25th to give a first hand rundown. I suppose this could be a new thread, though it's Corona related, it's also going to affect a lot more people than the Wuhan waiver where this thread started.
I was curious if anyone here has had international flights yet out of NRT/HND since the 25th to give a first hand rundown. I suppose this could be a new thread, though it's Corona related, it's also going to affect a lot more people than the Wuhan waiver where this thread started.
Feb 27, 2020, 2:57 pm
#56
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so you should be prepared. NRT has JAL's Table which should be much better under the circumstances.
Feb 27, 2020, 3:04 pm
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Feb 27, 2020, 3:25 pm
#58
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There was no self-serve alcohol (except beer) in Sakura HND on Feb 26 FWIW
Feb 27, 2020, 3:42 pm
#59
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Feb 27, 2020, 3:49 pm
#60
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Curiously, the KE lounge at Gimpo (which JAL uses) had self-serve hot food (this was the morning of 2/26, so ymmv). I ate stir fried chicken and fried rice for breakfast. .