Aug 19, 2019, 10:28 pm
Last edit by: JALPak
Japan has tentatively granted JL 11.5 slot pairs and NH 13.5 slot pairs: https://r.nikkei.com/article/DGXMZO48713010Z10C19A8MM8000
Official allocation: http://www.mlit.go.jp/report/press/c.../001305161.pdf
US: JL 6 NH 6
China: JL 2 NH 2
Russia: JL 1 NH 1
Australia: JL1 NH 1
India: JL 0.5 NH 0.5 (flight will use day time + night time pair)
Italy: NH 1
Turkey: NH 1
Finland: JL 1
Scandinavia: NH 1
Official allocation: http://www.mlit.go.jp/report/press/c.../001305161.pdf
US: JL 6 NH 6
China: JL 2 NH 2
Russia: JL 1 NH 1
Australia: JL1 NH 1
India: JL 0.5 NH 0.5 (flight will use day time + night time pair)
Italy: NH 1
Turkey: NH 1
Finland: JL 1
Scandinavia: NH 1
12 additional HND-US daytime slots are up for grab
May 28, 2019, 9:22 am
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Another hint from the same JAL executive quoted in post 60: HND-LAX is one of the routes under consideration, but they would not drop NRT-LAX as there is room for demand growth on both routes.
https://trafficnews.jp/post/86523
https://trafficnews.jp/post/86523
May 30, 2019, 2:18 am
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May 30, 2019, 4:10 am
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May 30, 2019, 8:41 am
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I think that's true for economy class, but less so for premium cabins, which are relatively easy to sell on a city pair like LAX-TYO.
Jun 3, 2019, 12:05 am
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NRT 6
JL 1 AA 1
UA 1 NH 2
SQ 1
HND 3
NH 1
AA 1
DL 1
JL can certainly enter this market with only 1 flight to NRT. LAX is a premium heavy market and I find pax would want to be on a JAL or ANA flight more than any of its JV partners for premium products.
As for fares going rock bottom in economy, that’s certainly something that NH/JL don’t have to worry about with the cabin geared premium heavy. JV may play a role but it should only help AA/JL in this case as they are not only picking up cattle pax from OW, but from all competitors as well.
JL 1 AA 1
UA 1 NH 2
SQ 1
HND 3
NH 1
AA 1
DL 1
JL can certainly enter this market with only 1 flight to NRT. LAX is a premium heavy market and I find pax would want to be on a JAL or ANA flight more than any of its JV partners for premium products.
As for fares going rock bottom in economy, that’s certainly something that NH/JL don’t have to worry about with the cabin geared premium heavy. JV may play a role but it should only help AA/JL in this case as they are not only picking up cattle pax from OW, but from all competitors as well.
Jun 3, 2019, 12:51 am
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Jun 3, 2019, 7:18 am
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Jun 3, 2019, 9:09 pm
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I'm more curious whether SQ stays on this route or decides to call it quits. The current LAX-NRT-SIN isn't that great for pax ending their journey in SIN and there are several direct flights at this point from the West Coast and JFK. From NRT pax, getting into the far-off airport in the evening isn't ideal when there will be almost, if not an equal number of options from HND.
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Jun 4, 2019, 5:49 am
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I'm more curious whether SQ stays on this route or decides to call it quits. The current LAX-NRT-SIN isn't that great for pax ending their journey in SIN and there are several direct flights at this point from the West Coast and JFK. From NRT pax, getting into the far-off airport in the evening isn't ideal when there will be almost, if not an equal number of options from HND.
Jun 4, 2019, 9:08 am
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This is little old information, but I used to live at Los Angeles area and once I read an interview of a head of North America of Singapore Airlines on Los Angeles Times business section. One of the question asked was about LAX-NRT-SIN flight, as extra long haul fuel efficient aircraft come out (such as 787 and A350XWB) will SQ keep LAX-NRT-SIN when flying LAX-SIN non-stop become more of norm? The head of SQ at North America said that TYO flights (HND/NRT) have highest revenue (paid ticket) occupancy rate in F and J in entire SQ route system. The guy said that SQ has no intention of terminating LAX-NRT-SIN
Technically Garuda is still planning to join this market as well...
(In my post above, I meant EWR BTW!)
Jun 4, 2019, 9:22 am
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I remember paying $2500 for an RT J ticket on NRT-LAX a few years ago. I can understand why. If they think they can keep it, then that'll be great as the competition will be very vibrant.
Technically Garuda is still planning to join this market as well...
(In my post above, I meant EWR BTW!)
Technically Garuda is still planning to join this market as well...
(In my post above, I meant EWR BTW!)
Jun 19, 2019, 8:52 am
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At the AGM on Tuesday, JAL's CEO said they will not announce new HND routes until the fall, so I guess we will have to keep speculating for a while longer.
国際線の就航便数が約4割増加予定の羽田空港については、2019年の秋ごろに同社の具体的な便数や航路を 発表する予定だ。
Jun 19, 2019, 9:57 am
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At the AGM on Tuesday, JAL's CEO said they will not announce new HND routes until the fall, so I guess we will have to keep speculating for a while longer.
Aug 19, 2019, 7:42 pm
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JAL Haneda slot increase from 2020
国土交通省は羽田空港の新飛行ルート開設に伴う来年3月の国際線発着枠の増加で、全日本空輸に1日13.5 便、日本航空に11.5便割り当てる方向で最終調整に入った。
JAL is getting 11.5 pairs of slots in Haneda (ANA is getting 13.5, in comparison).
JAL is getting 11.5 pairs of slots in Haneda (ANA is getting 13.5, in comparison).