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JAL to snatch Garuda Indonesia code-share pact away from ANA

Old Aug 24, 2018, 2:44 pm
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JAL to snatch Garuda Indonesia code-share pact away from ANA

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Com...-away-from-ANA

Japan Airlines and Garuda Indonesia, which is currently partnered with JAL rival All Nippon Airways, are poised to enter into a code-sharing arrangement that could lead to a joint venture, according to sources.

JAL and Garuda are working on the details and are set to finalize the agreement in September, before starting code-share flights between Japan and Indonesia in October.

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So opening up US routes for code sharing is one of the reasons of the switch? Wonder why NH didn’t just do that to keep the code sharing deal?

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Old Aug 24, 2018, 2:51 pm
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NH probably had their reasons. But I would guess they were not particularly interested in a continuation, or JAL offered better terms

​​​​​Garuda is struggling at the moment at cutting a lot on their network.
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Old Sep 6, 2018, 4:55 am
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NH is swinging it alone on routes between Tokyo and Jakarta, increasing capacity and cutting out GA from the lucrative business traveler market, relegating GA to the leisure traveler market. might be the cause of the friction.
Furthermore, there is a "GAP" in the OneWorld network in southern Asia, considering MH is still limping under financial restructures.
So, GA dumps NH and hitches up with JL. that is my back-of-the-napkin analysis of this.

Bigger question would be, why is GA promiscuous and not looking to tie up with fellow sky team member KA or the Chinese carriers?
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Old Sep 8, 2018, 6:14 am
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Originally Posted by Tokyoite
NH is swinging it alone on routes between Tokyo and Jakarta, increasing capacity and cutting out GA from the lucrative business traveler market, relegating GA to the leisure traveler market. might be the cause of the friction.
Furthermore, there is a "GAP" in the OneWorld network in southern Asia, considering MH is still limping under financial restructures.
So, GA dumps NH and hitches up with JL. that is my back-of-the-napkin analysis of this.

Bigger question would be, why is GA promiscuous and not looking to tie up with fellow sky team member KA or the Chinese carriers?
I assume you mean KE not KA? If you have a choice between members from the other alliance and the leftover alliance, you should pick the other alliance 99.9% of the time

if their goal is to grow the US market through code sharing, transiting via China isn’t really that convenient.
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Originally Posted by JALPak

I assume you mean KE not KA? If you have a choice between members from the other alliance and the leftover alliance, you should pick the other alliance 99.9% of the time

if their goal is to grow the US market through code sharing, transiting via China isn’t really that convenient.
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How many ST carriers does JL have partnerships with now?
  • Air France
  • Aeromexico
  • China Airlines
  • China Eastern Airlines
  • Garuda Indonesia
  • Korean Air
6? Feels like more at this point.
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Old Sep 10, 2018, 12:20 pm
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Originally Posted by FireEmblemPride
How many ST carriers does JL have partnerships with now?
  • Air France
  • Aeromexico
  • China Airlines
  • China Eastern Airlines
  • Garuda Indonesia
  • Korean Air
6? Feels like more at this point.
Aeroflot too
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Originally Posted by JALPak
Aeroflot too
What is their cooperation with Aeroflot? Domestic Russia? JL421/422 does not come with a SU flight number, or at least they don't put it on departure boards, on the gates, or mention it during the flight.
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Originally Posted by CPH-Flyer
What is their cooperation with Aeroflot? Domestic Russia? JL421/422 does not come with a SU flight number, or at least they don't put it on departure boards, on the gates, or mention it during the flight.
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That's just an MOU, did that ever pan out as an actual agreement? I don't see the code shares between Japan and Russia yet for the 4 trips I booked so far in fiscal 2018.
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Originally Posted by CPH-Flyer
That's just an MOU, did that ever pan out as an actual agreement? I don't see the code shares between Japan and Russia yet for the 4 trips I booked so far in fiscal 2018.
The first stage of the codeshare cooperation is planned to be implemented after fiscal year 2018.
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The first stage of the codeshare cooperation is planned to be implemented after fiscal year 2018.
Hehe I was reading from 2018.... That explains.
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Originally Posted by CPH-Flyer
Hehe I was reading from 2018.... That explains.
few months from now, you will forget and read this as after calendar year 2018. Then you will complain again and say it’s already Jan 2019 but you still don’t see the SU code on the DME flights

joking aside, I wonder why the SU partnership is taking so much longer. In comparison, the GA codeshare is on fast track perhaps JL has been negotiating with GA behind the scene for a while already.

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Originally Posted by JALPak

few months from, you will forget and read this as after calendar year 2018. Then you will complain again and say it’s already Jan 2019 but you still don’t see the SU code on the DME flights

joking aside, I wonder why the SU partnership is taking so much longer. In comparison, the GA codeshare is on fast track perhaps JL has been negotiating with GA behind the scene for a while already.
Russian and Japanese bureaucracy brought together?

Both countries does long and tedious approval process way beyond reason.
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