JAL to adopt dynamic award pricing
#1
Original Poster
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Tokyo
Programs: JGC premier
Posts: 348
JAL to adopt dynamic award pricing
https://www.jal.co.jp/jmb/award_rene...utm_content=RL
After all the devaluations its done over the years, I think this could be the straw that breaks the camels back for me. Up to 246,000 miles for a one way J award ticket to Asia2 region, over 6 times current cost of 40k miles, when I can buy a peak period return ex-SEL tickets outright for the same amount in JPY? what the hell are they thinking?
Im sorry but this is too much. From now on I think Im going to stick to the best value provider regardless of alliance and frequent flyer status. No point giving my loyalty to JL anymore.
After all the devaluations its done over the years, I think this could be the straw that breaks the camels back for me. Up to 246,000 miles for a one way J award ticket to Asia2 region, over 6 times current cost of 40k miles, when I can buy a peak period return ex-SEL tickets outright for the same amount in JPY? what the hell are they thinking?
Im sorry but this is too much. From now on I think Im going to stick to the best value provider regardless of alliance and frequent flyer status. No point giving my loyalty to JL anymore.
#3
Ambassador: Japan Airlines
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: LAX
Programs: JAL Mileage Bank, JMB Diamond, oneworld Emerald, Bonvoy Platinum
Posts: 16,332
Here’s the English version: Introducing JAL International Award Ticket PLUS - JAL Mileage Bank
The base miles for some destinations are actually decreasing but the worst parts of this changes are:
1. No more waiting list for Y, P, C redemption, you can only waitlist for F award. So we will have to fight with those graabers and graspers!?
2. No more via Japan redemption, i.e. HKG-NRT-LAX will require two redemptions and results in huge increase of required miles
The base miles for some destinations are actually decreasing but the worst parts of this changes are:
1. No more waiting list for Y, P, C redemption, you can only waitlist for F award. So we will have to fight with those graabers and graspers!?
2. No more via Japan redemption, i.e. HKG-NRT-LAX will require two redemptions and results in huge increase of required miles
#5
Ambassador: Japan Airlines
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: LAX
Programs: JAL Mileage Bank, JMB Diamond, oneworld Emerald, Bonvoy Platinum
Posts: 16,332
#8
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Tokyo
Programs: JAL Metal Card (OWE), SAS Eurobonus Gold (*G), Marriott Titanium (LTP), Tokyu Hotels Platinum
Posts: 20,877
Heres the English version: Introducing JAL International Award Ticket PLUS - JAL Mileage Bank
The base miles for some destinations are actually decreasing but the worst parts of this changes are:
1. No more waiting list for Y, P, C redemption, you can only waitlist for F award. So we will have to fight with those graabers and graspers!?
2. No more via Japan redemption, i.e. HKG-NRT-LAX will require two redemptions and results in huge increase of required miles
The base miles for some destinations are actually decreasing but the worst parts of this changes are:
1. No more waiting list for Y, P, C redemption, you can only waitlist for F award. So we will have to fight with those graabers and graspers!?
2. No more via Japan redemption, i.e. HKG-NRT-LAX will require two redemptions and results in huge increase of required miles
#9
Ambassador: Japan Airlines
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: LAX
Programs: JAL Mileage Bank, JMB Diamond, oneworld Emerald, Bonvoy Platinum
Posts: 16,332
i am more annoyed by the no waitlisting. It basically takes away our priority over other FFPs. I hope they will consider allowing FLY ON members to waitlist. You know if this goes well, they will target upgrade next
#10
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Tokyo
Programs: JAL Metal Card (OWE), SAS Eurobonus Gold (*G), Marriott Titanium (LTP), Tokyu Hotels Platinum
Posts: 20,877
they can make sure it goes back to you but they also may need to charge you ticketing fee as a result which by the way is increasing to the same amount as the ticketing fee of a regular ticket, e.g. from USD20 to USD50 in the US.
i am more annoyed by the no waitlisting. It basically takes away our priority over other FFPs. I hope they will consider allowing FLY ON members to waitlist. You know if this goes well, they will target upgrade next
#12
Ambassador: Japan Airlines
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: LAX
Programs: JAL Mileage Bank, JMB Diamond, oneworld Emerald, Bonvoy Platinum
Posts: 16,332
They can do Upgrade Award PLUS (similar to the new international award PLUS) and cash upgrade bidding But then cash upgrade bidding will cheapen the premium cabin so I am not sure if JL would want to do that. And it's not like they have problem filling their premium cabins (at least on LAX-NRT )
But my wish list is: default JGC without JALCARD to ruby. This way, JAL can match what NH offers domestically (i.e. Sapphire status) but for the rest of the market those freeloaders will only get Ruby and need to fly on JL to get lounge access.
But my wish list is: default JGC without JALCARD to ruby. This way, JAL can match what NH offers domestically (i.e. Sapphire status) but for the rest of the market those freeloaders will only get Ruby and need to fly on JL to get lounge access.
#13
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Japan
Programs: NH-SFC, SQ, UA, JL- JGC/Sapphire, AA, DL, IHG-Gold, SPG-Gold, Marriott-gold
Posts: 194
This new change (no change/waitlisting) will totally destroy the flexibility of award ticket rule.
Use it or lose it policy (of course cancellation and rescedule might be possible though) doesn’t seem to be a good move to me, anyway.
Use it or lose it policy (of course cancellation and rescedule might be possible though) doesn’t seem to be a good move to me, anyway.
#14
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Tokyo
Programs: JAL Metal Card (OWE), SAS Eurobonus Gold (*G), Marriott Titanium (LTP), Tokyu Hotels Platinum
Posts: 20,877
#15
Suspended
Join Date: May 2006
Location: HKG
Programs: A3, TK *G; JL JGC; SPG,Hilton Gold
Posts: 9,952