JAL award availability
#391
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So, is it against JL's terms if I confirm myself on another flight on the same day? There is availability of an earlier flight and I can ticket it with flexible condition, will it automatically cancel my waitlist if JL does a system scan/sweep? If it's OK I'd like to book it as backup and then cancel when waitlist clears.
#392
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So, is it against JL's terms if I confirm myself on another flight on the same day? There is availability of an earlier flight and I can ticket it with flexible condition, will it automatically cancel my waitlist if JL does a system scan/sweep? If it's OK I'd like to book it as backup and then cancel when waitlist clears.
Have you read what I posted? The rules seem pretty clear to me.
#393
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Sorry I mean to say booking the alternative refundable using AA/BA/CX miles which is not part of JMB rules. But I'm not sure if JL system will detect the passenger name and automatically cancel still.
#394
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https://www.jal.co.jp/en/inter/reservation/policy/
Japan Airlines may cancel any of bookings if customers have several bookings which cannot be actually used in terms of the itinerary
(E) Cancellation of Reservations made by JAL
(1) JAL may, at its own discretion, cancel all or a part of the Passenger's reservations if two or more seats are reserved for the same Passenger and if:
(a) same section of routes on the same day are reserved;
(b) same section of routes on dates in close proximity to each other are reserved;
(c) different section of routes on the same date are reserved; or
(d) it is reasonably considered that the Passenger can not use all of the seats reserved.
...
(H) Personal Data
A Passenger agrees that his/her personal data will be furnished to JAL by the Passenger or his/her agent, will be retained by JAL or, if JAL deems necessary, will be transmitted by JAL to any of its own offices, other Carriers, the providers of travel services, government authorities or other entity or agency, for the purpose of making a reservation for Carriage, obtaining ancillary services, facilitating immigration and entry requirements or making available such data to government authorities or for any other purpose which JAL deems necessary in order to facilitate any convenience of the travel for the Passenger.
(1) JAL may, at its own discretion, cancel all or a part of the Passenger's reservations if two or more seats are reserved for the same Passenger and if:
(a) same section of routes on the same day are reserved;
(b) same section of routes on dates in close proximity to each other are reserved;
(c) different section of routes on the same date are reserved; or
(d) it is reasonably considered that the Passenger can not use all of the seats reserved.
...
(H) Personal Data
A Passenger agrees that his/her personal data will be furnished to JAL by the Passenger or his/her agent, will be retained by JAL or, if JAL deems necessary, will be transmitted by JAL to any of its own offices, other Carriers, the providers of travel services, government authorities or other entity or agency, for the purpose of making a reservation for Carriage, obtaining ancillary services, facilitating immigration and entry requirements or making available such data to government authorities or for any other purpose which JAL deems necessary in order to facilitate any convenience of the travel for the Passenger.
Last edited by JALPak; Apr 27, 2017 at 7:24 pm
#395
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You risk having both bookings canceled in this case. I assume they know your FFP in the other program if you have ever redeemed or credited JL flights with those FFPs before. Not so hard for them to cross reference and create a customer profile with your personal info such as passport numbers.
https://www.jal.co.jp/en/inter/reservation/policy/
https://www.jal.co.jp/en/carriage/index_c006.html
https://www.jal.co.jp/en/inter/reservation/policy/
https://www.jal.co.jp/en/carriage/index_c006.html
#397
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NH is expensive between Korea and Japan in November. UA wants 15k per Y seat one way on NH/OZ and NH 30k RT only.
JL's discounted 6k miles is nice but hard to find availability and it's only RT. So I'm pretty much down to using DL 7.5k on KE, or until JL opens up mileage redemption on KE flights.
JL's discounted 6k miles is nice but hard to find availability and it's only RT. So I'm pretty much down to using DL 7.5k on KE, or until JL opens up mileage redemption on KE flights.
#398
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Looking for a creative way to get to Europe from west coast, PHX-LAX-NRT-FRA. Connecting in NRT for the flight to FRA a better change of getting J? I'll want to be using AA miles, how many for one way?
TIA
TIA
#399
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I don't think a connection makes the availability easier to find, maybe actually harder as you have to find availability on two long haul flights.
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#401
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Not just the award price, questions on the AAward availability, etc belongs to the AA forum as well
#402
Is two-weeks still roughly the point at which JL releases additional award space to JMB members?
J is wide open (5 to 15 seats left), but F is unavailable, despite being F8 A8. It's a few days before Obon starts, so everything might fill up between now and then, but if it doesn't changing my award to F might be nice.
J is wide open (5 to 15 seats left), but F is unavailable, despite being F8 A8. It's a few days before Obon starts, so everything might fill up between now and then, but if it doesn't changing my award to F might be nice.
#403
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Is two-weeks still roughly the point at which JL releases additional award space to JMB members?
J is wide open (5 to 15 seats left), but F is unavailable, despite being F8 A8. It's a few days before Obon starts, so everything might fill up between now and then, but if it doesn't changing my award to F might be nice.
J is wide open (5 to 15 seats left), but F is unavailable, despite being F8 A8. It's a few days before Obon starts, so everything might fill up between now and then, but if it doesn't changing my award to F might be nice.
#404
I looked at making another booking in addition to my existing reservation, and I checked the symbol that appeared (I believe it was a white triangle) against the key, which indicated 5-15 seats.
#405
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