Aug 31, 2015, 1:26 am
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Official Announcement: http://press.jal.co.jp/en/release/201508/003490.html
Microsite: http://www.ar.jal.com/arl/en/dfw/
Launch/Resumption Date: Nov 30 2015
Days of Operation: Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun *Daily service from Mar 20 2016
Aircraft: SS8
Schedule:
JL012/AA8478
NRT 10:55 - DFW 07:20
JL011/AA8481
DFW 11:45 - NRT 16:25+1
Campaigns:
Bonus Miles - http://www.jal.co.jp/en/121campaign/nrtdfw_bmile/
Microsite: http://www.ar.jal.com/arl/en/dfw/
Launch/Resumption Date: Nov 30 2015
Days of Operation: Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun *Daily service from Mar 20 2016
Aircraft: SS8
Schedule:
JL012/AA8478
NRT 10:55 - DFW 07:20
JL011/AA8481
DFW 11:45 - NRT 16:25+1
Campaigns:
Bonus Miles - http://www.jal.co.jp/en/121campaign/nrtdfw_bmile/
JL confirms: JL to resume NRT-DFW service w/ 787-8 30 Nov 2015
Mar 22, 2015, 6:20 pm
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JL considers resuming DFW service
In this morning's Nikkei. Article says that they may switch one of the two daily AA NRT flights to JL metal and that part of the motivation is the Toyota relocation from LAX.
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Mar 22, 2015, 6:30 pm
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In this morning's Nikkei. Article says that they may switch one of the two daily AA NRT flights to JL metal and that part of the motivation is the Toyota relocation from LAX.
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Those Toyota executives need a Japanese carrier http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24116037-post55.html
Mar 22, 2015, 6:33 pm
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Executives of Toyota don't need a Japanese carrier -- I'm sure they have access to private jets. A JL flight would be useful for employees (and executives of suppliers) and their families.
Obviously the connections to Central and South America from DFW are not insignificant, and there are many Japanese factories/offices in that part of the world.
Obviously the connections to Central and South America from DFW are not insignificant, and there are many Japanese factories/offices in that part of the world.
Mar 22, 2015, 6:33 pm
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Executives of Toyota don't need a Japanese carrier -- I'm sure they have access to private jets. A JL flight would be useful for employees (and executives of suppliers) and their families.
Obviously the connections to Central and South America from DFW are not insignificant, and there are many Japanese factories/offices in that part of the world.
Obviously the connections to Central and South America from DFW are not insignificant, and there are many Japanese factories/offices in that part of the world.
And yes, the connections to central and south america plus suppliers are cited as the reasons too
「（アメリカン航空の）中南米への便も豊富で自動車産業の進出が著しいメキシコへの乗り継ぎ拠点としても便 利だ」
Mar 22, 2015, 7:49 pm
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But if this happens, one group of people would certainly be not too happy about the transfer since they can't use their "grocery coupons" to upgrade on that flight 
Mar 22, 2015, 8:54 pm
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I wonder though if American airlines would actually give up one of their flights though for this, usually their flights to tokyo are pretty darn packed. The only thing I could see them make a change for it is if they upgrade one of the planes to a 77W.
Mar 22, 2015, 10:47 pm
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In my limited experience, JL seems to fill its planes at significantly higher fare levels than AA does. Probably a factor of the massive difference in product quality between the two.
Mar 22, 2015, 11:55 pm
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Mar 23, 2015, 6:27 am
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The only main reason I could see them not giving it up, is because its their HQ.
JFK isn't much of a base for them, and they always struggled to fill the plane on their flight to Tokyo.
But I have seen the load factors for AA, and the flight is almost always full for both flights. Actually a good amount of time, it is oversold.
I think that would probably push the range of the 787 close to its max. since MIA to NRT is 7,424 miles. The max range is 7800 miles.
Also I think it would probably be JAL that would start that flight before American Airlines. American wants to start more flights to Asia from LAX.
Mar 23, 2015, 6:30 am
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The only main reason I could see them not giving it up, is because its their HQ.
JFK isn't much of a base for them, and they always struggled to fill the plane on their flight to Tokyo.
But I have seen the load factors for AA, and the flight is almost always full for both flights. Actually a good amount of time, it is oversold.
I think that would probably push the range of the 787 close to its max. since MIA to NRT is 7,424 miles. The max range is 7800 miles.
Also I think it would probably be JAL that would start that flight before American Airlines. American wants to start more flights to Asia from LAX.
JFK isn't much of a base for them, and they always struggled to fill the plane on their flight to Tokyo.
But I have seen the load factors for AA, and the flight is almost always full for both flights. Actually a good amount of time, it is oversold.
I think that would probably push the range of the 787 close to its max. since MIA to NRT is 7,424 miles. The max range is 7800 miles.
Also I think it would probably be JAL that would start that flight before American Airlines. American wants to start more flights to Asia from LAX.
And with the joint venture, it makes more sense for JL to operate it if it means higher yield. Might even get AA more profit depending on the complex formula they use to calculate how they share cost and profit.
Mar 23, 2015, 6:33 am
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It would be pretty interesting if JL decided to make this flight out of HND, pending any dispersal of daytime US slots.
I'm sure there's pressure since NH is also beginning NRT-IAH this year.
I'm sure there's pressure since NH is also beginning NRT-IAH this year.
Mar 23, 2015, 6:37 am
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If they started this flight, then I could see American dropping one flight, but I think it may be a little before they start a Haneda flight.
Mar 23, 2015, 6:22 pm
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MIA-NRT with a 787 was supposedly on AA's radar for a while, but I don't think the new management is as interested.
Mar 23, 2015, 6:26 pm
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But didn't AA downsize the capacity on DFW-NRT with the 788 recently? At least that's what you told me And with the joint venture, it makes more sense for JL to operate it if it means higher yield. Might even get AA more profit depending on the complex formula they use to calculate how they share cost and profit.
And with the joint venture, it makes more sense for JL to operate it if it means higher yield. Might even get AA more profit depending on the complex formula they use to calculate how they share cost and profit.No they sent the 787 for a test flight to narita from dallas .