Jun 26, 2018, 12:52 pm
Last edit by: Tokyoite
Corona related JAL announcements page link.
https://www.jal.co.jp/jp/en/info/2020/other/200228/
Just to kick start a wiki, with answers to frequent questions.A: Yes. written here (link) A. Definitely, within the lounge access rules of course. written here (link)
https://www.jal.co.jp/jp/en/info/2020/other/200228/
Just to kick start a wiki, with answers to frequent questions.
1. We're flying HND-NGO-HNL. NGO-HNL is booked in business class, but HND-NGO is in economy. Will we still get the baggage allowance as if we're flying business class the whole way?
2. We're flying HND-NGO-HNL. Will we have lounge access in HND?
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Feb 14, 2018, 6:56 am
#2146
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There is quite a run on the first and business class awards, less so on PY and Y awards. Though with a bit of flexibility you can typically find both F and J awards without logging in exactly at the dot for the release. For Y and PY it usually works much easier. That being said, there is of course never any guarantee that once you transferred points you can find the route that you want, but by looking for Y/PY awards, I would say fairly high chance of success.
When booking, you will have the same seats avaible as you would have if you did a revenue booking. Certain seats are available for elites only, some are blocked, and some are blocked for basinets. Generally it should not be a problem to find two seats together. Once booked you can probably get them to put a note on the reservations, so you don’t get separated in case of irrops and subsequent rebookings.
I don’t think that you would need to waitlist, and then rebook to the right dates. But if you are very worried, you can book two oneway rather than a return ticket, that will allow you to book both directions on the first possible date of booking each routing.
When booking, you will have the same seats avaible as you would have if you did a revenue booking. Certain seats are available for elites only, some are blocked, and some are blocked for basinets. Generally it should not be a problem to find two seats together. Once booked you can probably get them to put a note on the reservations, so you don’t get separated in case of irrops and subsequent rebookings.
I don’t think that you would need to waitlist, and then rebook to the right dates. But if you are very worried, you can book two oneway rather than a return ticket, that will allow you to book both directions on the first possible date of booking each routing.
I think I read about assigning a 'proxy' on your JMB account to let someone book tickets for you. So, if my boyfriend assigns me as a proxy I may be able to buy his ticket for him. Has anyone had experience with this?
Feb 14, 2018, 7:18 am
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Thank you so much! That is what I was hoping to hear. Is there any negative to booking 2 one-ways instead of doing the round trip? I don't see why I shouldn't do that at the moment.
I think I read about assigning a 'proxy' on your JMB account to let someone book tickets for you. So, if my boyfriend assigns me as a proxy I may be able to buy his ticket for him. Has anyone had experience with this?
I think I read about assigning a 'proxy' on your JMB account to let someone book tickets for you. So, if my boyfriend assigns me as a proxy I may be able to buy his ticket for him. Has anyone had experience with this?
Feb 14, 2018, 7:34 am
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I would not see any reason to do the two one ways rather than a return. I just mentioned it as an option if you are very worried about availability. The disadvantage is probably only that you will need to carry a print of your e ticket, as immigration and check in agents will not directly see that you have aticket out of Japan Again, and may ask for proof.
Feb 19, 2018, 7:59 am
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Asked and answered own question
Hello again. Am trying to arrange a trip for myself, my kid and my father in law and would prefer to avoid the uncertainties of ferry travel.
Although the Great Circle Mapper and BA itself (through the "how many miles will I earn?" part of their website) both state that the distance between MMY and HND is 1,138miles, when trying to book an award flights, the BA Executive call centre insists that the BA system has it as 1,15? miles, over the 1,151 threshold.
Is there a way of discovering what JAL/JTA records the distance as?
Oops! Easier to find than I expected. Result is 1,158 miles - so that is what BA is working on.
Although the Great Circle Mapper and BA itself (through the "how many miles will I earn?" part of their website) both state that the distance between MMY and HND is 1,138miles, when trying to book an award flights, the BA Executive call centre insists that the BA system has it as 1,15? miles, over the 1,151 threshold.
Is there a way of discovering what JAL/JTA records the distance as?
Oops! Easier to find than I expected. Result is 1,158 miles - so that is what BA is working on.
Last edited by LapLap; Feb 19, 2018 at 8:06 am
Feb 24, 2018, 9:47 am
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https://www.jal.co.jp/en/dom/baggage/smart/tag/
Feb 26, 2018, 10:15 am
#2152
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I feel like I learn something new every day. Never run into cabotage rules before. (I suppose it never came into effect for me as all my trips so far have just been roundtrips on one carrier)
So I have a question(or few) on this based on the following trip I'm trying to plan. I'm a JMB member and would like to earn miles on it, but this is more a question on the legality of the ticket(s) I'm trying to book.
I wanted to combine a trip to Hawaii and a trip to Japan in the same vacation span. My home is in Boston so I try and take advantage of the NRT-BOS direct on JAL when I can.
Because of cabotage, I can't fly the BOS-HNL on one carrier (Was thinking of using Jetblue to try their Mint product to the west coast and something like Hawaiian from LAX/SFO) then HNL-NRT-BOS on JAL.
Onto the questions. AA's site lets me select BOS-HNL-NRT-BOS with the BOS-HNL segment on AA metal, HNL-NRT-BOS on JAL metal, does cabotage apply to the codeshared flights? Do I need to choose a flight on AA metal from HNL-NRT as well?
Does it apply to two separate roundtrip bookings on JAL? I also wonder what immigration will think of this. ie: I know it's not the most efficient, but book a roundtrip from BOS-NRT-BOS, then within that book a separate roundtrip from NRT-HNL-NRT as two separate tickets, rather than BOS-NRT-HNL-NRT-BOS on one ticket which I can't do...
So I have a question(or few) on this based on the following trip I'm trying to plan. I'm a JMB member and would like to earn miles on it, but this is more a question on the legality of the ticket(s) I'm trying to book.
I wanted to combine a trip to Hawaii and a trip to Japan in the same vacation span. My home is in Boston so I try and take advantage of the NRT-BOS direct on JAL when I can.
Because of cabotage, I can't fly the BOS-HNL on one carrier (Was thinking of using Jetblue to try their Mint product to the west coast and something like Hawaiian from LAX/SFO) then HNL-NRT-BOS on JAL.
Onto the questions. AA's site lets me select BOS-HNL-NRT-BOS with the BOS-HNL segment on AA metal, HNL-NRT-BOS on JAL metal, does cabotage apply to the codeshared flights? Do I need to choose a flight on AA metal from HNL-NRT as well?
Does it apply to two separate roundtrip bookings on JAL? I also wonder what immigration will think of this. ie: I know it's not the most efficient, but book a roundtrip from BOS-NRT-BOS, then within that book a separate roundtrip from NRT-HNL-NRT as two separate tickets, rather than BOS-NRT-HNL-NRT-BOS on one ticket which I can't do...
Feb 26, 2018, 10:51 am
#2153
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I feel like I learn something new every day. Never run into cabotage rules before. (I suppose it never came into effect for me as all my trips so far have just been roundtrips on one carrier)
So I have a question(or few) on this based on the following trip I'm trying to plan. I'm a JMB member and would like to earn miles on it, but this is more a question on the legality of the ticket(s) I'm trying to book.
I wanted to combine a trip to Hawaii and a trip to Japan in the same vacation span. My home is in Boston so I try and take advantage of the NRT-BOS direct on JAL when I can.
Because of cabotage, I can't fly the BOS-HNL on one carrier (Was thinking of using Jetblue to try their Mint product to the west coast and something like Hawaiian from LAX/SFO) then HNL-NRT-BOS on JAL.
Onto the questions. AA's site lets me select BOS-HNL-NRT-BOS with the BOS-HNL segment on AA metal, HNL-NRT-BOS on JAL metal, does cabotage apply to the codeshared flights? Do I need to choose a flight on AA metal from HNL-NRT as well?
Does it apply to two separate roundtrip bookings on JAL? I also wonder what immigration will think of this. ie: I know it's not the most efficient, but book a roundtrip from BOS-NRT-BOS, then within that book a separate roundtrip from NRT-HNL-NRT as two separate tickets, rather than BOS-NRT-HNL-NRT-BOS on one ticket which I can't do...
So I have a question(or few) on this based on the following trip I'm trying to plan. I'm a JMB member and would like to earn miles on it, but this is more a question on the legality of the ticket(s) I'm trying to book.
I wanted to combine a trip to Hawaii and a trip to Japan in the same vacation span. My home is in Boston so I try and take advantage of the NRT-BOS direct on JAL when I can.
Because of cabotage, I can't fly the BOS-HNL on one carrier (Was thinking of using Jetblue to try their Mint product to the west coast and something like Hawaiian from LAX/SFO) then HNL-NRT-BOS on JAL.
Onto the questions. AA's site lets me select BOS-HNL-NRT-BOS with the BOS-HNL segment on AA metal, HNL-NRT-BOS on JAL metal, does cabotage apply to the codeshared flights? Do I need to choose a flight on AA metal from HNL-NRT as well?
Does it apply to two separate roundtrip bookings on JAL? I also wonder what immigration will think of this. ie: I know it's not the most efficient, but book a roundtrip from BOS-NRT-BOS, then within that book a separate roundtrip from NRT-HNL-NRT as two separate tickets, rather than BOS-NRT-HNL-NRT-BOS on one ticket which I can't do...
What you may find is that you need to split your tickets, as the different carrier can't be issued on one ticket and PNR. Also you may find that a ticket like HNL-NRT-BOS can be rather pricey, but there are no cabotage rules preventing that booking. Immigration will not care about your route, as long as you can document that you have a ticket from Japan back to the US. And immigration will not care if your flights are one 1, 2, or even 3 tickets, as long as you can document it if asked.
Feb 26, 2018, 11:06 am
#2154
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Cabotage does not come in to the picture here. Cabotage is when a foreign carrier carries passengers on a purely domestic flight and schedule. E.g. JAL operating a flight from BOS to LAX and selling tickets without an international part of the itinerary.
What you may find is that you need to split your tickets, as the different carrier can't be issued on one ticket and PNR. Also you may find that a ticket like HNL-NRT-BOS can be rather pricey, but there are no cabotage rules preventing that booking. Immigration will not care about your route, as long as you can document that you have a ticket from Japan back to the US. And immigration will not care if your flights are one 1, 2, or even 3 tickets, as long as you can document it if asked.
What you may find is that you need to split your tickets, as the different carrier can't be issued on one ticket and PNR. Also you may find that a ticket like HNL-NRT-BOS can be rather pricey, but there are no cabotage rules preventing that booking. Immigration will not care about your route, as long as you can document that you have a ticket from Japan back to the US. And immigration will not care if your flights are one 1, 2, or even 3 tickets, as long as you can document it if asked.
I guess I'll just have to call them when I have time to get a ballpark figure of how much I'm looking to pay on this ticket.
I was assuming due to this error that the flight is treated as a 'domestic' and falls under cabotage due to starting in Honolulu and ending in Boston, even with Tokyo in between.
Thanks for the info =)
Feb 26, 2018, 11:30 am
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http://www.travelweekly.com/Travel-N...-cabotage-laws
JAL's website logic is probably more conservative to prevent inadvertent ticketing of a potential cabotage ticket. OP may find a live agent more flexible, and I would think depending on how long the NRT stopovers are. Or just book two seperate RT as suggested, since there's no downside to it.
Feb 26, 2018, 11:47 am
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DOT has fined carriers for cabotage involving a foreign intermediate point:
DOT fines Asiana for violating cabotage laws: Travel Weekly
JAL's website logic is probably more conservative to prevent inadvertent ticketing of a potential cabotage ticket. OP may find a live agent more flexible, and I would think depending on how long the NRT stopovers are. Or just book two seperate RT as suggested, since there's no downside to it.
Feb 26, 2018, 12:45 pm
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Interesting, because when I try and look up a multi-city trip pricing for HNL-NRT-BOS on JAL's US website, it keeps rejecting the itinerary with an error message ' Error: The itinerary is not compliant with the cabotage restriction rules (26810 - 8320) '
I guess I'll just have to call them when I have time to get a ballpark figure of how much I'm looking to pay on this ticket.
I was assuming due to this error that the flight is treated as a 'domestic' and falls under cabotage due to starting in Honolulu and ending in Boston, even with Tokyo in between.
Thanks for the info =)
I guess I'll just have to call them when I have time to get a ballpark figure of how much I'm looking to pay on this ticket.
I was assuming due to this error that the flight is treated as a 'domestic' and falls under cabotage due to starting in Honolulu and ending in Boston, even with Tokyo in between.
Thanks for the info =)
Feb 26, 2018, 5:21 pm
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F Check-In Message: "Notice: Least Preferred Seat Has Been Assigned"
Checking in got the message in quotes above when doing on-line check-in for a flight.
At the bottom of the check-in page it says "Non-Movable Arm Rest". I can't remember seeing this message before? Did I miss something? I don't fly JAL too often, maybe 3-4x a year so could just be my lack of familiarity.
So I tried swapping to a few different seats in the F Cabin (4 seats still open), all 4 have identical warning about a "Non-Movable Arm Rest". Seems implausible that at least 4/8 seats in F would have the same seat issue for a flight not for another half day? Do you guys know?
At the bottom of the check-in page it says "Non-Movable Arm Rest". I can't remember seeing this message before? Did I miss something? I don't fly JAL too often, maybe 3-4x a year so could just be my lack of familiarity.
So I tried swapping to a few different seats in the F Cabin (4 seats still open), all 4 have identical warning about a "Non-Movable Arm Rest". Seems implausible that at least 4/8 seats in F would have the same seat issue for a flight not for another half day? Do you guys know?
Feb 26, 2018, 5:31 pm
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Checking in got the message in quotes above when doing on-line check-in for a flight.
At the bottom of the check-in page it says "Non-Movable Arm Rest". I can't remember seeing this message before? Did I miss something? I don't fly JAL too often, maybe 3-4x a year so could just be my lack of familiarity.
So I tried swapping to a few different seats in the F Cabin (4 seats still open), all 4 have identical warning about a "Non-Movable Arm Rest". Seems implausible that at least 4/8 seats in F would have the same seat issue for a flight not for another half day? Do you guys know?
At the bottom of the check-in page it says "Non-Movable Arm Rest". I can't remember seeing this message before? Did I miss something? I don't fly JAL too often, maybe 3-4x a year so could just be my lack of familiarity.
So I tried swapping to a few different seats in the F Cabin (4 seats still open), all 4 have identical warning about a "Non-Movable Arm Rest". Seems implausible that at least 4/8 seats in F would have the same seat issue for a flight not for another half day? Do you guys know?
Feb 27, 2018, 8:59 am
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