No sitting on the spanish steps
Sitting on the Spanish Steps in Rome is now subject to a fine of 400 euros, or about $450, under new municipal rules that ban a variety of activities in the city’s historic center. Another activity banned is splashing in Trevi Fountain.
Source: NYTimes |
I understand not splashing in the fountain. I don't understand not sitting on the stairs. For the decades I've been traveling to Rome, the steps seem to be a place for young backpackers to take a rest break. Are so many are doing it that they block passage to those walking up and down them?
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Originally Posted by SanDiego1K
(Post 31394114)
I understand not splashing in the fountain. I don't understand not sitting on the stairs. For the decades I've been traveling to Rome, the steps seem to be a place for young backpackers to take a rest break. Are so many are doing it that they block passage to those walking up and down them?
"The Rome newspaper Il Messaggero said Wednesday that photographs of empty stairs “were not an image of strength, but of desolation.” The newspaper accused the mayor of trying to apply “Swiss rigor” to what was a quintessentially Roman spot for relaxation." "Dozens of startled people, most of them presumably tourists, were reprimanded on a broiling Wednesday afternoon by a small force of municipal police officers — this reporter counted at least eight — who admonished step-sitters by blowing twice on their whistles and gesturing stiffly to stand up." |
The Steps are the place you meet up with your friends who have gone in different directions sightseeing. You sit and wait, maybe with a gelato. Where are these folks supposed to hang out? This is very tourist unfriendly.
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"Swiss rigor" is a desire of certain Northern Italians. The mayors of Rome have tried to turn the world's greatest city into Zurich before. Fines for people eating on the street comes to mind. That didn't last long. This won't either.
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As someone who travels to Rome several times a year for work and who lived there back in the ‘80’s, I’ve seen a steady decline of behavior by foreign tourists in recent years. It’s a problem with messy eating, leaving garbage on the steps, camping on the steps and sleeping on the steps. On some days, one can’t even find a pathway to get up or down the steps between the selfie photographers, the garbage, the sleepers, the campers and everyone else just trying to get a little rest and take in the view. And the worst of it is the few causing all the problems and trashing the place would not do so in their own countries but feel free to trash Italian landmarks. |
Originally Posted by AA100k
(Post 31399296)
...{long snip}...And the worst of it is the few causing all the problems and trashing the place would not do so in their own countries but feel free to trash Italian landmarks.
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Originally Posted by SanDiego1K
(Post 31394114)
I understand not splashing in the fountain. I don't understand not sitting on the stairs. For the decades I've been traveling to Rome, the steps seem to be a place for young backpackers to take a rest break. Are so many are doing it that they block passage to those walking up and down them?
The behavior has gotten worse — I have been traveling to Rome since the late 80s when I first went as an undergrad. Some years I was in Rome 3-4 times a year but it has been at least annually since that period. The amount of trash that is left has gotten worse and the generally disrespectful behavior has increased. I support this legislation but it is depressing that it had to come to this. |
The crowds and the mess on the Spanish Steps have gotten worse over the years, way more at some times of the year than at other times of the year. When it comes to the banning of people sitting out on the Steps who may be enjoying BYO food/drink and/or waiting for a meet-up, I suspect that the result may be more people crowding commercial food/beverage-serving interests in the area. Personally, I would prefer a nice outside place to wait without being made to “over-consume” food/beverages — at least when the weather is suitable. |
Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 31400380)
Personally, I would prefer a nice outside place to wait without being made to “over-consume” food/beverages — at least when the weather is suitable. |
Originally Posted by arttravel
(Post 31399616)
From my experience yes, they are blocking passage and not just in the summer. And it is not just a rest break, it is hanging out and drinking and leaving the trash after they are done. The behavior has gotten worse — I have been traveling to Rome since the late 80s when I first went as an undergrad. Some years I was in Rome 3-4 times a year but it has been at least annually since that period. The amount of trash that is left has gotten worse and the generally disrespectful behavior has increased. I support this legislation but it is depressing that it had to come to this. |
Originally Posted by AA100k
(Post 31400954)
All one has to do is climb the Spanish Steps to the top and turn left and you’re in Villa Borghese - a great park where you can have all that. Having just been on a hunt to try to meet up with separated travel party members in a park area much smaller than Villa Borghese, I would say that relatively large parks are a recipe to have greater trouble meeting up than a site that has one way in and one way out where visibility isn’t as obstructed as in a park full of trees and other tall shrubs. |
Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 31402032)
Indeed, while still allowed. But as a place for non-locals to meet up, parks — that one too — present problems that a more constrained place with greater public line of sight visibility doesn’t. Having just been on a hunt to try to meet up with separated travel party members in a park area much smaller than Villa Borghese, I would say that relatively large parks are a recipe to have greater trouble meeting up than a site that has one way in and one way out where visibility isn’t as obstructed as in a park full of trees and other tall shrubs. |
According to the article referenced in the OP, the shopkeepers who cheered the new rules didn't quite get what they bargained for:
*** But the shopkeepers in Piazza di Spagna, at the base of the steps, applauded the new rules. Like many Italian cities, Rome is an open-air museum that asks little of its visitors except civility, said David Sermoneta, the president of the Piazza di Spagna Trinità dei Monti Association. “You couldn’t walk around the Metropolitan Museum snacking on food and slurping a Coke,” he said. “We expect the same for the center of Rome.” Still, with the steps off limits, shopkeepers have had to hire private guards to keep tourists from sitting on the shops’ stoops to eat, Mr. Sermoneta said. “Pasta, ice cream, panini — it was becoming unsustainable,” he said. *** |
Originally Posted by AA100k
(Post 31402237)
Villa Borghese resembles more a park than a jungle so the visibility is good. It’s not an enormous park and it has a lot of landmarks within it that are well known and easy to spot. But if that’s not appealing, there are plenty of other famous landmarks in the historical center of Rome where which one could meet up and sit down while waiting. I often meet people at the Trevi Fountain, which is close to the Spanish Steps or another fun meet up is at the Pantheon (where one can grab some steps to sit at near the fountain) and listen to excellent street musicians. As I see it, a park area that is akin to a square of .5 miles on each side is a more difficult place to find someone than a bunch of steps that are an easily remembered and found landmark and that provides visibility to conduct a search in a way a park of Villa Borghese’s size just doesn’t. Surely someone could use a named F&B venue as a place to meet up or a landmark in a park of trees and shrubs, but that may not fly over as well for one or more reasons as the Spanish Steps. But this all doesn’t matter, as what is driving such a ban on loitering on the Steps has nothing to do with trying to help people find each other. It seems to come in the bigger vein of frustration from suffering large crowds of tourists and too many tourists behaving just as badly as some locals do during crowded festivals/events. It’s sort of interesting how a place that wanted more tourists (and welcomed more of that) can end up with extremely frustrated locals who got more than that which they expected. For example, some places that got few or no big international cruise ships may at first have local business interests wanting a few more big boats (or as many as they can get), but when they get what they want, they don’t want all that they get with it. And by the time an action is taken against a problem of this sort, it’s akin to trying to treat a symptom of a disease at the expense of treating the disease itself. |
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