New RA qualifying criteria based on IC Revenue

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Update December 2018: it looks like some accounts are proactively being renewed in December 2018, well ahead of the stated expiration of Jan 31, 2019. It is currently unknown what criteria were used, but previous years appeared to indicate around $10K++ in IC spend only.

As before, please Divide EQPs by 10 to get $$$ Spend

JANUARY 2019 RA RENEWAL STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
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NAME.... IHG total (paid)/IC/EQP, break out IC spend if you can
Pseudo Nim 73 IC nights, $14.6K IC spend ($17.7K total),
Shoven 70 (50) IC nights, $17.3K IC spend ($17.3K total),
Unterwegs 52 IC nights, approx $12K net IC spend. No other brands this year! No more mediocre HIs to make status.
Kaix 63 IC nights, $14.4K IC spend ($15.1K total)
Tim O'Brien 26 IC Paid Nights as at Dec 27, when notified of RA renewal, 140,171 EQP, IC Net Spend 14, 017.
Vsevolod4 IHG total 132, IHG total paid 101, IC nights 85, IC Qualified Spend $16.5K, total EQP 398,800, Kimpton nights: 3, RA Ambassador Kit renewed Dec 27, RA renewal (again) and Kimpton Inner Circle upgrade Jan 4.
kaka(mom) 34 nights 1 country (all IC), IC spend:23k USD

ID;Name;Confirm;Kit msg; Revenue ;Nights;Challenge?;Additional Info

40;stimpy;+;none; $9,000.00 ;50;?;RA since 2001 - exceptional renewal
38;turner32;-;none; $9,000.00 ;?;?;8/9 years as RA
49;hannes08;+;01/16/2019; $9,990.00 ;52;2000;renewal probably because of challenge
17;Lewis42;+;12/27/2018; $10,000.00 ;?;2000;renewal probably because of challenge
27;scienm;+;none; $10,032.00 ;32;?;8 years RA
25;hclee01;+;none; $10,142.16 ;37;?;current RA since 2014 - manual renewal
18;annihilation;-;none; $10,605.00 ;39;?;
51;crosskonaftw;?;none; $10,700.00 ;35;?;not yet RA
30;Land-of-Miles;+;none; $10,999.00 ;19;?;
16;Kimsbrand;-;none; $11,297.88 ;5;?;not RA yet. 13,532.92 USD total?
48;Urby38;+;12/27/2018; $11,300.00 ;47;?;Royal since 2012
42;SAWorldVoyager;?;12/21/2018; $11,391.52 ;?;?;
14;Cielito_;+;none; $11,511.00 ;62;no;77/62/8 with 12042 USD after batch
45;whimike;+;none; $11,700.00 ;?;?;RA for about 7 years
10;Unterwegs;+;12/27/2018; $12,000.00 ;52;yes;
44;serendipity1211;+;01/16/2019; $12,300.00 ;45;no;first-time RA
28;cazane;+;12/27/2018; $12,600.00 ;61;no;4 prepaid nights not posted until 27th 11890 -> 12600
11;VaBeachGirl;+;12/27/2018; $12,750.00 ;68;no;
50;lukah;?;none; $12,800.00 ;80;?;3 years RA
15;336;-;none; $12,900.00 ;16;2000;NOT completed challenge / Lots of adjusted stays
1;DonPedro;+;12/21/2018; $12,971.00 ;49;no;
47;SD2019;+;none; $13,000.00 ;35;no;stays erroneously adjusted or marked as overlapping
36;BRUSS;+;01/16/2019; $13,001.00 ;?;?;
13;Tim O'Brien;+;12/27/2018; $14,017.00 ;26;?;
33;marlin1978;?;12/27/2018; $14,182.00 ;46;no;
26;Kaix;?;12/27/2018; $14,400.00 ;63;?;
9;Pseudo Nim;+;12/27/2018; $14,600.00 ;73;?;
41;PMMMDL;?;?; $15,000.00 ;50;?;
23;nicolas75;?;12/27/2018; $15,000.00 ;81;?;
5;sharps1337;+;12/21/2018; $15,200.00 ;79;no;
3;Raynyan (friend2);?;12/21/2018; $15,500.00 ;69;no;
22;pantanal;+;12/27/2018; $16,000.00 ;?;?;
24;vsevolod4;+;12/27/2018; $16,319.00 ;84;no;
34;boekel;?;12/27/2018; $16,950.00 ;60;no;
21;ILS2;+;none; $17,000.00 ;40;?;
8;skaya (2x);+;12/27/2018; $17,000.00 ;?;?;
7;shoven;+;12/27/2018; $17,304.00 ;50;?;
51;EmeraldLady;+;12/27/2018; $18,000.00 ;47;?;
32;Mr. Chan;?;12/21/2018; $19,582.00 ;45;yes;completed challenge
46;kaka;+;12/21/2018; $20,001.00 ;34;no;
31;christenlabelle;?;none; $22,000.00 ;51;1k + Kimpton;
39;marcel.baden;?;12/27/2018; $22,000.00 ;77;?;
35;Flying Lawyer;?;12/27/2018; $22,135.00 ;70;?;
37;Roey007;?;none; $25,000.00 ;42;?;9 years RA - 9k adjustment: no kit message with 11k before
12;IThink;+;12/27/2018; $25,000.00 ;85;no;
19;HadesNL;+;12/27/2018; $28,273.90 ;52;?;
4;Raynyan (friend3);?;12/21/2018; $30,000.00 ;73;no;
29;btravers33;?;12/27/2018; $30,000.00 ;98;?;
2;Raynyan (friend1);?;12/21/2018; $32,000.00 ;75;no;
20;Raynyan;+;12/27/2018; ? ;70;?;~30 nights not counted somehow
6;samjnz;?;12/21/2018; ? ;?;2000;


04 JAN 2018 RA RENEWAL STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
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NAME.... IHG total (paid)/IC/EQP, break out IC spend if you can
Pseudo Nim 139 (116)/85/192K, of which $18K in IC
Boekel 85 (70)55/170K, of which $15K in IC
Tim O'Brien 29 IC Nights 2 Non IC IHG nights, 341,976 EQP
scubaccr 55 paid IC Nights , us$13,000++ / 4paid non-IC nights us$900++ (plus 8x IC reward nights, 20x non-IC reward nights) <== Sorry.. forgot to cop exact EQP values before 1/1/2018 acct zeroing
Cielito_ 81/77/5 - $7,353 F&B + $11,656 Room = $19,009 IC net spend - EQP 468,000 (First Time RA)
hclee01 50 IC us$13k++
Land-of-Miles ?? IC us$10.5k++
cazane 60 IC us$11.8k++
VaBeachGirl 54 IC us$13k++
PiffPaffPuff 60IC us$25k++
??????? 35 IC us$10.2k++ <== first time RA ref PiffPaffPuff colleague
Spitcool 40 IC us$15k++
Eltham 40 IC us$12k++
shoven 43 IC us$15k++ <== first time RA
skaya (partner) ?? IC us$10.2k++ <== renewed
darby1970 62 IC us$13k++
The Mileage Millionaire 102 paid IHG nights / 100 paid IC nights / 229k EQP / $22.7k++ IC spend
Orion_1 8 nights at IC, spent at 2 properties - USD 10,200 in total at ICs (honeymoon...)
HadesNL Elite qualifying points: 239,095, Qualifying nights: 39
Aussielori 50 IC us$8k++ 9.2k overall renewed on 16 jan

04 JAN 2018 RA LOSS STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
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tarek.h ?? IC us$9.1k++

sharps1337 IC us$9.9k++ (and 129 non-IC us$17k++ )

04 JAN 2017 RA RENEWAL STATS (Please include 2016 y/end EQP count)
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NAME.... IHG/IC/IC's EQP $$$$s
SCUBACCR 80/56/13 EQP=14,979 (Split $12864 + $2115)
HANNES08 76/46/10 EQP=11,200
OZ_CATALYST 75/63/8 EQP=14,700 (first Time RA) ($12414 at ICs)
TAREK.H 46/37/4 EQP=14.500 ($10,917 IC Spend)
TravelTheWorld66 147/33/11 EQP=27.972 ($8500 IC Spend)
HCLEE01 67/50/6 EQP=14880
ATACAMA40 82/56/10 EQP=??,???
VaBeachGirl 84/42/12 EQP=15,000
Land-of-Miles 87/73/10 EQP=40,000
SSH4POOH 132/99/28 EQP=50,000
???????? 75/35/8 EQP=??,??? (First Time RA, ref SSH4POOH)
iThink 82/36/11 EQP = 18,200
aussielori 75/45/5 EQP =15,100
1010101 50/48/4 = 12,500
MYSTERY7 63/45/? EQP=25,000 (First Time RA)
EmeraldLady 68/42/10 EQP=15,500
NKU 86/80/5 EQP=20,000
Petrus 110/40/3 EQP=20,000 ($8500 IC Spend)
JOHHENRIK 74/65/10 EQP=16,800
SyLance 76/76/4 EQP=17,500 (RA again after 3years missed)
Pseudo Nim 90/58/15 IC spend $9,500, $17K across chain (175K EQP)
Tim O'Brien 58 nights, EQP 474,576 , July 31, 2017 Year End, renewed to Dec 29, 2017
HadesNL 22/20/7 and us$20,000 ref two posts.
PROTEOME 53/36/? $25,000 (Plus further 30x IC Non-qual nights and 18 IC Award nights) <== nb Maybe/Maybe-Not the IC Non-qual $$'s count as about half EQPs spend, probably > 10k IC qual spend
Chinatrvl 88 nights (in all brands, but c. 75 in ICs), 300,000 EQP, ADR c. 115 USD as I stayed mostly on a locally negotiated rate (spend c. 10k USD)
Unterwegs 78(my count 86)/63/10/285.000 (according to email, I would have expected less. my spending estimate is 15-20K$)
Lewis42 77/39/10 EQP=16010
Whimike 88/35/12 EQP=14220

04 JAN 2017 RA Demotion to xxx Ambassador stats (if > 75/30/3)
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NAME IHG/IC/IC's EQP $$$$s

[Archived - no longer valid] New (Royal) Ambassador Criteria

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Old Jun 12, 16, 6:05 pm
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New RA qualifying criteria based on IC Revenue

Excellent News:

New Royal selection criteria is based on revenue not just stay
behaviour
Only InterContinental stays will count towards Royal
qualification
Multi location stays to avoid qualification for long term stayers
Changes will be phased in

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New RA qualifying criteria based on IC Revenue

IHG is going to change RA criteria. The new criteria will be based on amount of payments not just number of stay. And only IC stays will count towards RA qualification. Multi properties still required.

Also they will define clear policy of upgrade and Club access.

Some of this change seems to be already adopted.
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Originally Posted by Raynyan View Post
IHG is going to change RA criteria. The new criteria will be based on amount of payments not just number of stay. And only IC stays will count towards RA qualification. Multi properties still required.

Also they will define clear policy of upgrade and Club access.

Some of this change seems to be already adopted.
hope you're right,how reliable is the source? maybe they listened, or have just done what the airlines are doing....adopting revenue models

Sent: September 10, 2015 12:58:20 PM
Subject: Re 482643417 RA Status Nights v Revenue


Hi .....,

hope you've had a great summer.

had a very nice stay in Miami, thank you for your assistance. Mike Kovensky, the Sales Director looked after us.

would it be possible to forward this correspondence to your colleague, Ms Ruth Negus.

it would be much appreciated.

Thanks,


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Dear Ms Negus,


In calendar year 2013, i paid for 404 IC suite nights (279, and 125 for an employee) previous years averaged 150 nights.

Royal Ambassador status renewed in mid 2014, not withstanding not only meeting the qualifying threshold of 60 total IHG nights, minimum 20 IC nights, minimum three IC properties, the 60/20/3 criteria, in 2013, but well exceeding it, by 100's of nights.

I pay for multiple higher yielding suites each night to accommodate my immediate family when staying with IC, average spend is c. USD800 a night, including ancillary spend, restaurants, gift shops etc not billed to the folio.

Is there an avenue to RA status via revenue?

For example, a person who spends an average of say USD75 a night for 40 HI nights, 20 IC nights at say USD150, equates to total revenue of USD6K, gains RA status, whereas YTD i have spent c. USD14K directly billed to folio, and additional c. USD4K for direct restaurant/gift shop etc spend, USD18K revenue v someone who generates say USD6K revenue, but achieve no RA status.

With IHG/InterContinental i'm facing a disincentive to pay for higher yielding multiple suites v the other hotel programs, based on this Nights v Revenue/Margin criteria.

I would really appreciate seeing total revenue being included say as a tandem alternative criterion to qualify for Royal Ambassador status.

I believe it would be more equitable, and mutually advantageous for IHG, and it's loyal customers.

Appreciate your consideration.

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Originally Posted by Tim O'Brien View Post
hope you're right,how reliable is the source? maybe they listened, or have just done what the airlines are doing....adopting revenue models
Yes, I coincidentally saw the document about it on web.
You can find by Google.
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Yes, Raynyanfunifuni's information is true. I got same information from very reliable source on June.
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Interesting that they require multiple IC hotels. What about someone on a contract, spends 150 nights in 1 IC spending $30K and they don't get RA. Seems short sighted to me. I'll never get there but been thinking about this as I have friends who may.
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FYI. I'm Re-Qualified Spire RA on End of May.2016(until 2017 June).
Stay count is IC40/HIEX14/CP3/HI10 = 67 Paid stays and 5 different ICs.
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Interesting that they require multiple IC hotels. What about someone on a contract, spends 150 nights in 1 IC spending $30K and they don't get RA. Seems short sighted to me. I'll never get there but been thinking about this as I have friends who may.
According to document, Multi location stays required to avoid long term stay guests. It is quite make sense that 150 nights in 1 IC spending $30K cannot get RA.
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According to document, Multi location stays required to avoid long term stay guests. It is quite make sense that 150 nights in 1 IC spending $30K cannot get RA.
What is wrong with long term guests? I don't get it. You say "it is quite make sense", why does it make sense. Please explain IHG's reasoning for this.
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What is wrong with long term guests? I don't get it. You say "it is quite make sense", why does it make sense. Please explain IHG's reasoning for this.
FSP is not just for single hotel, but for enhance the value of "Hotel Chain".
It's a same logic that recently many Airlines trying to exclude the "Millage runner".
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FSP is not just for single hotel, but for enhance the value of "Hotel Chain".
It's a same logic that recently many Airlines trying to exclude the "Millage runner".
All the airlines did was add a dollar requirement. Sure hope no one I know gets a long term assignment and has to stay in one hotel. Even at a high rate. They will get screwed and not get any benefits. Seems a hotel would love to have someone there for a long time at a high rate. Maybe it makes sense to you but it sure doesn't to me.
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What is wrong with long term guests? I don't get it. You say "it is quite make sense", why does it make sense. Please explain IHG's reasoning for this.
IHG focus on targeted enrollment of "HIGH VALUE GUSTS". Royal criteria based on revenue not just stays such as paid F&B and higher cost room.
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IHG focus on targeted enrollment of "HIGH VALUE GUSTS". Royal criteria based on revenue not just stays such as paid F&B and higher cost room.
Someone who spends $200 per night 5 nights a week for 30 weeks a year isn't high value? I never said or meant to imply they stayed 150 nights straight. I get the stays and nights thing it is the 3 different IC's I don't get.
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Interesting that they require multiple IC hotels. What about someone on a contract, spends 150 nights in 1 IC spending $30K and they don't get RA. Seems short sighted to me. I'll never get there but been thinking about this as I have friends who may.
i've had years with 250 + nights at the one property, and no problem renewing.
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All the airlines did was add a dollar requirement. Sure hope no one I know gets a long term assignment and has to stay in one hotel. Even at a high rate. They will get screwed and not get any benefits. Seems a hotel would love to have someone there for a long time at a high rate. Maybe it makes sense to you but it sure doesn't to me.
It depends. If a company arranges a special long term price with the hotel for a set of employees, that means the employee or hotel guest really had no choice in the matter. In that case, what loyalty is there?

However if an individual negotiates a long term stay, then part of the negotiation can include RA level benefits or better. That individual is choosing the IC over other hotels and is guaranteeing a fixed set of weekly or monthly revenue to the hotel.

In the company case, they only care about the cost. In the individual case, they care about how well the hotel treats them.
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