New RA qualifying criteria based on IC Revenue

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Update 2019: The RA status granted at the start of the calendar year 2017 and 2018 has been based on IC revenue. As from 2019 criteria again have become vague. RA is not achieved through IC spend only. Other, unknown elements are taken into account as well. (Fact: Some users with very high +25k IC spend were not renewed in 2019.)

Update December 2018: it looks like some accounts are proactively being renewed in December 2018, well ahead of the stated expiration of Jan 31, 2019. It is currently unknown what criteria were used, but previous years appeared to indicate around $10K++ in IC spend only.

As before, please Divide EQPs by 10 to get $$$ Spend
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December 2019 / January 2020 Link to RA Renewals & Upgrades
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JANUARY 2019 RA RENEWAL STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
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NAME.... IHG total (paid)/IC/EQP, break out IC spend if you can
Pseudo Nim 73 IC nights, $14.6K IC spend ($17.7K total),
Shoven 70 (50) IC nights, $17.3K IC spend ($17.3K total),
Unterwegs 52 IC nights, approx $12K net IC spend. No other brands this year! No more mediocre HIs to make status.
Kaix 63 IC nights, $14.4K IC spend ($15.1K total)
Tim O'Brien 26 IC Paid Nights as at Dec 27, when notified of RA renewal, 140,171 EQP, IC Net Spend 14, 017.
Vsevolod4 IHG total 132, IHG total paid 101, IC nights 85, IC Qualified Spend $16.5K, total EQP 398,800, Kimpton nights: 3, RA Ambassador Kit renewed Dec 27, RA renewal (again) and Kimpton Inner Circle upgrade Jan 4.
kaka(mom) 34 nights 1 country (all IC), IC spend:23k USD
Lewis42 / 81 Total (unknown IC) / $16k IC / $2k Kimpton / 4 Continents
81 nights total
$18k Kimpton / IC (about $2k kimpton)
stays in 4 continents

been Ra for ~3-4 years

ID;Name;Confirm;Kit msg; Revenue ;Nights;Challenge?;Additional Info

40;stimpy;+;none; $9,000.00 ;50;?;RA since 2001 - exceptional renewal
38;turner32;-;none; $9,000.00 ;?;?;8/9 years as RA
49;hannes08;+;01/16/2019; $9,990.00 ;52;2000;renewal probably because of challenge
17;Lewis42;+;12/27/2018; $10,000.00 ;?;2000;renewal probably because of challenge
27;scienm;+;none; $10,032.00 ;32;?;8 years RA
25;hclee01;+;none; $10,142.16 ;37;?;current RA since 2014 - manual renewal
18;annihilation;-;none; $10,605.00 ;39;?;
51;crosskonaftw;?;none; $10,700.00 ;35;?;not yet RA
30;Land-of-Miles;+;none; $10,999.00 ;19;?;
16;Kimsbrand;-;none; $11,297.88 ;5;?;not RA yet. 13,532.92 USD total?
48;Urby38;+;12/27/2018; $11,300.00 ;47;?;Royal since 2012
42;SAWorldVoyager;?;12/21/2018; $11,391.52 ;?;?;
14;Cielito_;+;none; $11,511.00 ;62;no;77/62/8 with 12042 USD after batch
45;whimike;+;none; $11,700.00 ;?;?;RA for about 7 years
10;Unterwegs;+;12/27/2018; $12,000.00 ;52;yes;
44;serendipity1211;+;01/16/2019; $12,300.00 ;45;no;first-time RA
28;cazane;+;12/27/2018; $12,600.00 ;61;no;4 prepaid nights not posted until 27th 11890 -> 12600
11;VaBeachGirl;+;12/27/2018; $12,750.00 ;68;no;
50;lukah;?;none; $12,800.00 ;80;?;3 years RA
15;336;-;none; $12,900.00 ;16;2000;NOT completed challenge / Lots of adjusted stays
1;DonPedro;+;12/21/2018; $12,971.00 ;49;no;
47;SD2019;+;none; $13,000.00 ;35;no;stays erroneously adjusted or marked as overlapping
36;BRUSS;+;01/16/2019; $13,001.00 ;?;?;
13;Tim O'Brien;+;12/27/2018; $14,017.00 ;26;?; Kimpton;
33;marlin1978;?;12/27/2018; $14,182.00 ;46;no;
26;Kaix;?;12/27/2018; $14,400.00 ;63;?;
9;Pseudo Nim;+;12/27/2018; $14,600.00 ;73;?;
41;PMMMDL;?;?; $15,000.00 ;50;?;
23;nicolas75;?;12/27/2018; $15,000.00 ;81;?;
5;sharps1337;+;12/21/2018; $15,200.00 ;79;no;
3;Raynyan (friend2);?;12/21/2018; $15,500.00 ;69;no;
22;pantanal;+;12/27/2018; $16,000.00 ;?;?;
24;vsevolod4;+;12/27/2018; $16,319.00 ;84;no;
34;boekel;?;12/27/2018; $16,950.00 ;60;no;
21;ILS2;+;none; $17,000.00 ;40;?;
8;skaya (2x);+;12/27/2018; $17,000.00 ;?;?;
7;shoven;+;12/27/2018; $17,304.00 ;50;?;
51;EmeraldLady;+;12/27/2018; $18,000.00 ;47;?;
32;Mr. Chan;?;12/21/2018; $19,582.00 ;45;yes;completed challenge
46;kaka;+;12/21/2018; $20,001.00 ;34;no;
31;christenlabelle;?;none; $22,000.00 ;51;1k + Kimpton;
39;marcel.baden;?;12/27/2018; $22,000.00 ;77;?;
35;Flying Lawyer;?;12/27/2018; $22,135.00 ;70;?;
37;Roey007;?;none; $25,000.00 ;42;?;9 years RA - 9k adjustment: no kit message with 11k before
12;IThink;+;12/27/2018; $25,000.00 ;85;no;
19;HadesNL;+;12/27/2018; $28,273.90 ;52;?;
4;Raynyan (friend3);?;12/21/2018; $30,000.00 ;73;no;
29;btravers33;?;12/27/2018; $30,000.00 ;98;?;
2;Raynyan (friend1);?;12/21/2018; $32,000.00 ;75;no;
20;Raynyan;+;12/27/2018; ? ;70;?;~30 nights not counted somehow
6;samjnz;?;12/21/2018; ? ;?;2000;


04 JAN 2018 RA RENEWAL STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
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NAME.... IHG total (paid)/IC/EQP, break out IC spend if you can
Pseudo Nim 139 (116)/85/192K, of which $18K in IC
Boekel 85 (70)55/170K, of which $15K in IC
Tim O'Brien 29 IC Nights 2 Non IC IHG nights, 341,976 EQP
scubaccr 55 paid IC Nights , us$13,000++ / 4paid non-IC nights us$900++ (plus 8x IC reward nights, 20x non-IC reward nights) <== Sorry.. forgot to cop exact EQP values before 1/1/2018 acct zeroing
Cielito_ 81/77/5 - $7,353 F&B + $11,656 Room = $19,009 IC net spend - EQP 468,000 (First Time RA)
hclee01 50 IC us$13k++
Land-of-Miles ?? IC us$10.5k++
cazane 60 IC us$11.8k++
VaBeachGirl 54 IC us$13k++
PiffPaffPuff 60IC us$25k++
??????? 35 IC us$10.2k++ <== first time RA ref PiffPaffPuff colleague
Spitcool 40 IC us$15k++
Eltham 40 IC us$12k++
shoven 43 IC us$15k++ <== first time RA
skaya (partner) ?? IC us$10.2k++ <== renewed
darby1970 62 IC us$13k++
The Mileage Millionaire 102 paid IHG nights / 100 paid IC nights / 229k EQP / $22.7k++ IC spend
Orion_1 8 nights at IC, spent at 2 properties - USD 10,200 in total at ICs (honeymoon...)
HadesNL Elite qualifying points: 239,095, Qualifying nights: 39
Aussielori 50 IC us$8k++ 9.2k overall renewed on 16 jan

04 JAN 2018 RA LOSS STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
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tarek.h ?? IC us$9.1k++

sharps1337 IC us$9.9k++ (and 129 non-IC us$17k++ )

04 JAN 2017 RA RENEWAL STATS (Please include 2016 y/end EQP count)
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NAME.... IHG/IC/IC's EQP $$$$s
SCUBACCR 80/56/13 EQP=14,979 (Split $12864 + $2115)
HANNES08 76/46/10 EQP=11,200
OZ_CATALYST 75/63/8 EQP=14,700 (first Time RA) ($12414 at ICs)
TAREK.H 46/37/4 EQP=14.500 ($10,917 IC Spend)
TravelTheWorld66 147/33/11 EQP=27.972 ($8500 IC Spend)
HCLEE01 67/50/6 EQP=14880
ATACAMA40 82/56/10 EQP=??,???
VaBeachGirl 84/42/12 EQP=15,000
Land-of-Miles 87/73/10 EQP=40,000
SSH4POOH 132/99/28 EQP=50,000
???????? 75/35/8 EQP=??,??? (First Time RA, ref SSH4POOH)
iThink 82/36/11 EQP = 18,200
aussielori 75/45/5 EQP =15,100
1010101 50/48/4 = 12,500
MYSTERY7 63/45/? EQP=25,000 (First Time RA)
EmeraldLady 68/42/10 EQP=15,500
NKU 86/80/5 EQP=20,000
Petrus 110/40/3 EQP=20,000 ($8500 IC Spend)
JOHHENRIK 74/65/10 EQP=16,800
SyLance 76/76/4 EQP=17,500 (RA again after 3years missed)
Pseudo Nim 90/58/15 IC spend $9,500, $17K across chain (175K EQP)
Tim O'Brien 58 nights, EQP 474,576 , July 31, 2017 Year End, renewed to Dec 29, 2017
HadesNL 22/20/7 and us$20,000 ref two posts.
PROTEOME 53/36/? $25,000 (Plus further 30x IC Non-qual nights and 18 IC Award nights) <== nb Maybe/Maybe-Not the IC Non-qual $$'s count as about half EQPs spend, probably > 10k IC qual spend
Chinatrvl 88 nights (in all brands, but c. 75 in ICs), 300,000 EQP, ADR c. 115 USD as I stayed mostly on a locally negotiated rate (spend c. 10k USD)
Unterwegs 78(my count 86)/63/10/285.000 (according to email, I would have expected less. my spending estimate is 15-20K$)
Lewis42 77/39/10 EQP=16010
Whimike 88/35/12 EQP=14220

04 JAN 2017 RA Demotion to xxx Ambassador stats (if > 75/30/3)
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[Archived - no longer valid] New (Royal) Ambassador Criteria

A document was unintenionally available in the internet about changes to the (Royal) Ambassador Qualifying and Re-Qualifying criteria.
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Old Oct 26, 16, 4:46 am
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Originally Posted by nicolas75 View Post
I have just downloaded the IHG app, and can see it now.

Pretty strange that IC app does not offer the same functionalities
IHG stopped supporting/updating IC, CP, Staybridge apps long time ago. There was a notification about it. However, booking through these apps still honored.
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Old Oct 26, 16, 6:13 am
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It does not work on ipad, thats why i said pm if you need a android emulator on a pc assuming you have access to one
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good - thats correct
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Originally Posted by scubaccr View Post
Toshiba Windows Laptop 10.x x64 ....
downloading "BlueStacks" to install as an Android Emulator right now
(Philippines Islands via cell towers 3G (no 4g) 26kb/s download of 300MB file = 12000secs = 3.5hours OUCH ! )

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yeah didnt even think to do that !
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Just spoke to them and they still have no answers at all said maybe they will know something at end december.
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Morning all, just trying catch up with all this but struggling with 50 odd pages of data. Hoping someone could summarize a little for me please.

Does it mean that the RA will be based on spend in future?

But we don't know when this starts?

Any risk/change to current RA renewal rules confirmed at this point?

Normally I'm miles over requal levels but Hilton offered me a Diamond card and have to confess to using that a fair bit recently so I'm a little lighter than normal on IC nights. But elite point total currently stands at 250k the year, nights in IC 63 and points total 2.5 million. My renewal is Dec 13 I think.

Obviously keen not to miss the renewal, especially with a lot of 2017 IC nights already penciled in. Equally if the points suddenly become worth less by loosing RA then I'd like to use them asap.

Appreciate any clarification if you have time.
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Old Oct 27, 16, 6:19 am
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Originally Posted by Atacama40 View Post
Morning all, just trying catch up with all this but struggling with 50 odd pages of data. Hoping someone could summarize a little for me please.

Does it mean that the RA will be based on spend in future?

But we don't know when this starts?

Any risk/change to current RA renewal rules confirmed at this point?

Normally I'm miles over requal levels but Hilton offered me a Diamond card and have to confess to using that a fair bit recently so I'm a little lighter than normal on IC nights. But elite point total currently stands at 250k the year, nights in IC 63 and points total 2.5 million. My renewal is Dec 13 I think.

Obviously keen not to miss the renewal, especially with a lot of 2017 IC nights already penciled in. Equally if the points suddenly become worth less by loosing RA then I'd like to use them asap.

Appreciate any clarification if you have time.
1) Since March2015 the old RA qualify target 60/20/3 is no longer enough. Based on posts in this thread, it seems 75/30/3 is current requirement

2)Several months ago a non-protected doc on ihg.com was found (later protected) which proposed changing RA model from nights to USD's spent.
We have no way of knowing if this is something IHG are actively considering or persuing, and don't even know if doc was created by a summer intern as a project or is a real doc of intent produced by a proper IHG employee

3)At the moment empirical evidence points to it being that requal/qual for RA is still on nights 75/30/3

4)We also know on 1st Sep 2016 AMEA Amb/RA terms were slightly rewritten, and most of us expect some similar rewrite of remaining geography IC's terms to bev released soon

5)A whole bunch of Spire RA's (maybe apire Amb's) renewing in Sep/Oct/Nov 2015 could not be sent new RA packs. The packs were belatedly sent out circa Mar2016 with affected RA's getting a foc +3month adjustment to their RA/Amb year expiry's


nb
loads of other speculation, which is exactly that.... speculation ...
many opinions/guesses as to how IHG will move RAs from nights->dollar criteria and if eg all RA/Amb elites will have years aligned to a Calendar year in future.

5)Everything else is speculation
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Old Oct 27, 16, 9:13 am
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Originally Posted by scubaccr View Post
1) Since March2015 the old RA qualify target 60/20/3 is no longer enough. Based on posts in this thread, it seems 75/30/3 is current requirement

2)Several months ago a non-protected doc on ihg.com was found (later protected) which proposed changing RA model from nights to USD's spent.
We have no way of knowing if this is something IHG are actively considering or persuing, and don't even know if doc was created by a summer intern as a project or is a real doc of intent produced by a proper IHG employee

3)At the moment empirical evidence points to it being that requal/qual for RA is still on nights 75/30/3

4)We also know on 1st Sep 2016 AMEA Amb/RA terms were slightly rewritten, and most of us expect some similar rewrite of remaining geography IC's terms to bev released soon

5)A whole bunch of Spire RA's (maybe apire Amb's) renewing in Sep/Oct/Nov 2015 could not be sent new RA packs. The packs were belatedly sent out circa Mar2016 with affected RA's getting a foc +3month adjustment to their RA/Amb year expiry's


nb
loads of other speculation, which is exactly that.... speculation ...
many opinions/guesses as to how IHG will move RAs from nights->dollar criteria and if eg all RA/Amb elites will have years aligned to a Calendar year in future.

5)Everything else is speculation

Many thanks Scubaccr, is very helpful.

Yes think I also had late sent of RA pack but then they sent two which was nice.

So the normal IHG FUD continues. Mind what would we all do if they were straight line? Have to work for living

Thanks for the summary
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Old Oct 27, 16, 1:07 pm
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Hyatt as a comparative for IC, has released new qualification, and re-qualification criteria, today.

Nice group Hyatt, they publish their criteria, and suite upgrades, and all benefits on award stays, including Club Lounge, breakfast, no resort fees, 4pm checkout, and early check in (but not 8am guaranteed by IHG, subject to availability) and comped parking.

Their equivalent to Spire/RA

But its everything, and more than what RA is, except the mini bar benefit.

It really is better value, with suite upgrades, lounge, breakfast, and parking.

Globalist: 60 nights (but only 55 nights to re-qualify), 100k base points (USD20K spend), or 20 meetings

that's what IHG shld set as the criteria for RA, Hyatt is one of the closest comparative groups, based on limited footprint.

Hyatt Lifetime Diamond has been 1M base points, USD200K spend, member for 10 years.

SPG 500 nights, or Platinum member for 10 years, 25 stays or or 50 nights annually.

Hope IHG uses the refresh relaunch of the RA Program as an opportunity to introduce Lifetime RA status.

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Old Oct 27, 16, 1:19 pm
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Originally Posted by Atacama40 View Post
Morning all, just trying catch up with all this but struggling with 50 odd pages of data. Hoping someone could summarize a little for me please.

Does it mean that the RA will be based on spend in future?

But we don't know when this starts?

Any risk/change to current RA renewal rules confirmed at this point?

Normally I'm miles over requal levels but Hilton offered me a Diamond card and have to confess to using that a fair bit recently so I'm a little lighter than normal on IC nights. But elite point total currently stands at 250k the year, nights in IC 63 and points total 2.5 million. My renewal is Dec 13 I think.

Obviously keen not to miss the renewal, especially with a lot of 2017 IC nights already penciled in. Equally if the points suddenly become worth less by loosing RA then I'd like to use them asap.

Appreciate any clarification if you have time.
Hi Atacama40

your renewal date is the end of the month, or show on your card as the first day of the next month.
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Old Oct 27, 16, 5:05 pm
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Hi Atacama40

your renewal date is the end of the month, or show on your card as the first day of the next month.
Ahh you probably right Tim. I will check. Not sure where I got 13th from.

I sent an email to Ambassador desk and they came back with very vague 'non denial/denial' statements basically committing to 'not a lot' but hoping I would renew at the right level!!!!

Fortunately almost all of my nights are IC's so fingers crossed but the new randomness is not a motivator.

Seems a counter intuitive adjustment given the content of the presentation that shows RA's basically spend more as a result of....well being RA's. And given my own experience since 2006 I'd say that was true.
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Old Oct 27, 16, 9:45 pm
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comparing Hyatt to RA program just does not work for some members, in my opinion they have an entirely different footprint outside the USA

I also think their average price point per night is consistently higher than IC

so for some Hyatt might be an option, I have looked closely at their program + properties and was even matched for Platinum but see no advantage
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Old Oct 27, 16, 11:18 pm
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Originally Posted by jonspencer View Post
comparing Hyatt to RA program just does not work for some members, in my opinion they have an entirely different footprint outside the USA

I also think their average price point per night is consistently higher than IC

so for some Hyatt might be an option, I have looked closely at their program + properties and was even matched for Platinum but see no advantage
understood, i posted it for the members that it may be beneficial option for, as many have posted they're not happy with IHG not disclosing criteria for RA, RA renewal, moving their year end dates around, no guaranteed benefits on award stays, club lounge, suite, breakfast, and general uncertainty about the program.

yes, don't disagree a different proposition, re those in the US, lots more properties, and options than IC.

some may consider published criteria a positive, unlike IHG's top 1% moving goal post, never really know if you're going to ht the moving target?;

some may appreciate the firm target, 60 nights to achieve, and 55 for renewal;

some may appreciate Lifetime option;

some may also appreciate benefits on award stays;

some may appreciate a Suite, Club Lounge, breakfast, and free parking.

i understand you're not domiciled in the US, and subsequently your miles obviously vary, i don't know how others feel, just seems net, pretty good option. just my thoughts^
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Old Oct 28, 16, 12:10 am
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no argument about Hyatt having a solid program

however if for some reason my RA were not renewed, I would need to opt for SPG or Accor despite Hyatt probably having a more attractive deal

this is simply due to their worldwide footprints and average nightly price
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the Marriott/Ritz/SPG program wld definitely be an attractive option too, and even more particularly in your circumstances.

i find the lifetime option very appealing, and they are another group that offers that, i think that's a big plus in addition to their large footprint.

i think IHG wld be wise to introduce that, to make them competitive with the other major hotel groups.

Lifetime confers more loyalty, a win win for SCH, and their most loyal customers.

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