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Update 2019: The RA status granted at the start of the calendar year 2017 and 2018 has been based on IC revenue. As from 2019 criteria again have become vague. RA is not achieved through IC spend only. Other, unknown elements are taken into account as well. (Fact: Some users with very high +25k IC spend were not renewed in 2019.)

Update December 2018: it looks like some accounts are proactively being renewed in December 2018, well ahead of the stated expiration of Jan 31, 2019. It is currently unknown what criteria were used, but previous years appeared to indicate around $10K++ in IC spend only.

As before, please Divide EQPs by 10 to get $$$ Spend

JANUARY 2019 RA RENEWAL STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
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NAME.... IHG total (paid)/IC/EQP, break out IC spend if you can
Pseudo Nim 73 IC nights, $14.6K IC spend ($17.7K total),
Shoven 70 (50) IC nights, $17.3K IC spend ($17.3K total),
Unterwegs 52 IC nights, approx $12K net IC spend. No other brands this year! No more mediocre HIs to make status.
Kaix 63 IC nights, $14.4K IC spend ($15.1K total)
Tim O'Brien 26 IC Paid Nights as at Dec 27, when notified of RA renewal, 140,171 EQP, IC Net Spend 14, 017.
Vsevolod4 IHG total 132, IHG total paid 101, IC nights 85, IC Qualified Spend $16.5K, total EQP 398,800, Kimpton nights: 3, RA Ambassador Kit renewed Dec 27, RA renewal (again) and Kimpton Inner Circle upgrade Jan 4.
kaka(mom) 34 nights 1 country (all IC), IC spend:23k USD

ID;Name;Confirm;Kit msg; Revenue ;Nights;Challenge?;Additional Info

40;stimpy;+;none; $9,000.00 ;50;?;RA since 2001 - exceptional renewal
38;turner32;-;none; $9,000.00 ;?;?;8/9 years as RA
49;hannes08;+;01/16/2019; $9,990.00 ;52;2000;renewal probably because of challenge
17;Lewis42;+;12/27/2018; $10,000.00 ;?;2000;renewal probably because of challenge
27;scienm;+;none; $10,032.00 ;32;?;8 years RA
25;hclee01;+;none; $10,142.16 ;37;?;current RA since 2014 - manual renewal
18;annihilation;-;none; $10,605.00 ;39;?;
51;crosskonaftw;?;none; $10,700.00 ;35;?;not yet RA
30;Land-of-Miles;+;none; $10,999.00 ;19;?;
16;Kimsbrand;-;none; $11,297.88 ;5;?;not RA yet. 13,532.92 USD total?
48;Urby38;+;12/27/2018; $11,300.00 ;47;?;Royal since 2012
42;SAWorldVoyager;?;12/21/2018; $11,391.52 ;?;?;
14;Cielito_;+;none; $11,511.00 ;62;no;77/62/8 with 12042 USD after batch
45;whimike;+;none; $11,700.00 ;?;?;RA for about 7 years
10;Unterwegs;+;12/27/2018; $12,000.00 ;52;yes;
44;serendipity1211;+;01/16/2019; $12,300.00 ;45;no;first-time RA
28;cazane;+;12/27/2018; $12,600.00 ;61;no;4 prepaid nights not posted until 27th 11890 -> 12600
11;VaBeachGirl;+;12/27/2018; $12,750.00 ;68;no;
50;lukah;?;none; $12,800.00 ;80;?;3 years RA
15;336;-;none; $12,900.00 ;16;2000;NOT completed challenge / Lots of adjusted stays
1;DonPedro;+;12/21/2018; $12,971.00 ;49;no;
47;SD2019;+;none; $13,000.00 ;35;no;stays erroneously adjusted or marked as overlapping
36;BRUSS;+;01/16/2019; $13,001.00 ;?;?;
13;Tim O'Brien;+;12/27/2018; $14,017.00 ;26;?; Kimpton;
33;marlin1978;?;12/27/2018; $14,182.00 ;46;no;
26;Kaix;?;12/27/2018; $14,400.00 ;63;?;
9;Pseudo Nim;+;12/27/2018; $14,600.00 ;73;?;
41;PMMMDL;?;?; $15,000.00 ;50;?;
23;nicolas75;?;12/27/2018; $15,000.00 ;81;?;
5;sharps1337;+;12/21/2018; $15,200.00 ;79;no;
3;Raynyan (friend2);?;12/21/2018; $15,500.00 ;69;no;
22;pantanal;+;12/27/2018; $16,000.00 ;?;?;
24;vsevolod4;+;12/27/2018; $16,319.00 ;84;no;
34;boekel;?;12/27/2018; $16,950.00 ;60;no;
21;ILS2;+;none; $17,000.00 ;40;?;
8;skaya (2x);+;12/27/2018; $17,000.00 ;?;?;
7;shoven;+;12/27/2018; $17,304.00 ;50;?;
51;EmeraldLady;+;12/27/2018; $18,000.00 ;47;?;
32;Mr. Chan;?;12/21/2018; $19,582.00 ;45;yes;completed challenge
46;kaka;+;12/21/2018; $20,001.00 ;34;no;
31;christenlabelle;?;none; $22,000.00 ;51;1k + Kimpton;
39;marcel.baden;?;12/27/2018; $22,000.00 ;77;?;
35;Flying Lawyer;?;12/27/2018; $22,135.00 ;70;?;
37;Roey007;?;none; $25,000.00 ;42;?;9 years RA - 9k adjustment: no kit message with 11k before
12;IThink;+;12/27/2018; $25,000.00 ;85;no;
19;HadesNL;+;12/27/2018; $28,273.90 ;52;?;
4;Raynyan (friend3);?;12/21/2018; $30,000.00 ;73;no;
29;btravers33;?;12/27/2018; $30,000.00 ;98;?;
2;Raynyan (friend1);?;12/21/2018; $32,000.00 ;75;no;
20;Raynyan;+;12/27/2018; ? ;70;?;~30 nights not counted somehow
6;samjnz;?;12/21/2018; ? ;?;2000;


04 JAN 2018 RA RENEWAL STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
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NAME.... IHG total (paid)/IC/EQP, break out IC spend if you can
Pseudo Nim 139 (116)/85/192K, of which $18K in IC
Boekel 85 (70)55/170K, of which $15K in IC
Tim O'Brien 29 IC Nights 2 Non IC IHG nights, 341,976 EQP
scubaccr 55 paid IC Nights , us$13,000++ / 4paid non-IC nights us$900++ (plus 8x IC reward nights, 20x non-IC reward nights) <== Sorry.. forgot to cop exact EQP values before 1/1/2018 acct zeroing
Cielito_ 81/77/5 - $7,353 F&B + $11,656 Room = $19,009 IC net spend - EQP 468,000 (First Time RA)
hclee01 50 IC us$13k++
Land-of-Miles ?? IC us$10.5k++
cazane 60 IC us$11.8k++
VaBeachGirl 54 IC us$13k++
PiffPaffPuff 60IC us$25k++
??????? 35 IC us$10.2k++ <== first time RA ref PiffPaffPuff colleague
Spitcool 40 IC us$15k++
Eltham 40 IC us$12k++
shoven 43 IC us$15k++ <== first time RA
skaya (partner) ?? IC us$10.2k++ <== renewed
darby1970 62 IC us$13k++
The Mileage Millionaire 102 paid IHG nights / 100 paid IC nights / 229k EQP / $22.7k++ IC spend
Orion_1 8 nights at IC, spent at 2 properties - USD 10,200 in total at ICs (honeymoon...)
HadesNL Elite qualifying points: 239,095, Qualifying nights: 39
Aussielori 50 IC us$8k++ 9.2k overall renewed on 16 jan

04 JAN 2018 RA LOSS STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
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tarek.h ?? IC us$9.1k++

sharps1337 IC us$9.9k++ (and 129 non-IC us$17k++ )

04 JAN 2017 RA RENEWAL STATS (Please include 2016 y/end EQP count)
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NAME.... IHG/IC/IC's EQP $$$$s
SCUBACCR 80/56/13 EQP=14,979 (Split $12864 + $2115)
HANNES08 76/46/10 EQP=11,200
OZ_CATALYST 75/63/8 EQP=14,700 (first Time RA) ($12414 at ICs)
TAREK.H 46/37/4 EQP=14.500 ($10,917 IC Spend)
TravelTheWorld66 147/33/11 EQP=27.972 ($8500 IC Spend)
HCLEE01 67/50/6 EQP=14880
ATACAMA40 82/56/10 EQP=??,???
VaBeachGirl 84/42/12 EQP=15,000
Land-of-Miles 87/73/10 EQP=40,000
SSH4POOH 132/99/28 EQP=50,000
???????? 75/35/8 EQP=??,??? (First Time RA, ref SSH4POOH)
iThink 82/36/11 EQP = 18,200
aussielori 75/45/5 EQP =15,100
1010101 50/48/4 = 12,500
MYSTERY7 63/45/? EQP=25,000 (First Time RA)
EmeraldLady 68/42/10 EQP=15,500
NKU 86/80/5 EQP=20,000
Petrus 110/40/3 EQP=20,000 ($8500 IC Spend)
JOHHENRIK 74/65/10 EQP=16,800
SyLance 76/76/4 EQP=17,500 (RA again after 3years missed)
Pseudo Nim 90/58/15 IC spend $9,500, $17K across chain (175K EQP)
Tim O'Brien 58 nights, EQP 474,576 , July 31, 2017 Year End, renewed to Dec 29, 2017
HadesNL 22/20/7 and us$20,000 ref two posts.
PROTEOME 53/36/? $25,000 (Plus further 30x IC Non-qual nights and 18 IC Award nights) <== nb Maybe/Maybe-Not the IC Non-qual $$'s count as about half EQPs spend, probably > 10k IC qual spend
Chinatrvl 88 nights (in all brands, but c. 75 in ICs), 300,000 EQP, ADR c. 115 USD as I stayed mostly on a locally negotiated rate (spend c. 10k USD)
Unterwegs 78(my count 86)/63/10/285.000 (according to email, I would have expected less. my spending estimate is 15-20K$)
Lewis42 77/39/10 EQP=16010
Whimike 88/35/12 EQP=14220

04 JAN 2017 RA Demotion to xxx Ambassador stats (if > 75/30/3)
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NAME IHG/IC/IC's EQP $$$$s

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Old Oct 7, 16, 11:06 am
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I waited 2 months for mine,then at the end of the 3rd month and each subsequent month I asked for 10000 points.

I think I was getting expensive,my new card arrived after 5 months.
Wow I feel foolish. I never got a card/package last year. But this year it arrived in a matter of days after renewal.
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We Brits had a different number and missed out on the porn,which may end up as being the best part of Spire.
that explains the hardcore benefits, but ignores the soft openings
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Originally Posted by boekel View Post
while 1. might be possible, knowing IHG's IT system we can assume 2. as 100% given

this could also explain why they don't communicate officially to their members that their membership year was shifted, because they are so embarrassed about their IT system
I imagine a hotel chain's IT system complexity to be enormous. So what do you know about it?
Furthermore, the system will only be as good as the requirements from the business, and I highly doubt that business has made up its mind yet and is struggling to sell the new RA concept to its hotel owners.

That said, my RA expiry date also vanished.
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that explains the hardcore benefits, but ignores the soft openings
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Originally Posted by Chinatrvl View Post
I imagine a hotel chain's IT system complexity to be enormous. So what do you know about it?
Furthermore, the system will only be as good as the requirements from the business, and I highly doubt that business has made up its mind yet and is struggling to sell the new RA concept to its hotel owners.

That said, my RA expiry date also vanished.
Date of expiry still supplied on the card send with renewal packs.

That vanished ages ago, in July2015 when Spire was activated
ie nothing to do with any benefits IHG may or not be rewnegotiating with IC hotels for enhancing RA bennies whilst reducing numbers of qualified RAs

since July2015....
a)no more top 1/4 of card date line on RA Card showing on ones IHG.COM account page
b)no more grey slider bar for Amb's showing statys of Gold/Plat/RA
c)no more RA expiry date in monthly Ambassador account activity emails
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Originally Posted by scubaccr View Post
Date of expiry still supplied on the card send with renewal packs.

That vanished ages ago, in July2015 when Spire was activated
ie nothing to do with any benefits IHG may or not be rewnegotiating with IC hotels for enhancing RA bennies whilst reducing numbers of qualified RAs

since July2015....
a)no more top 1/4 of card date line on RA Card showing on ones IHG.COM account page
b)no more grey slider bar for Amb's showing statys of Gold/Plat/RA
c)no more RA expiry date in monthly Ambassador account activity emails
How many RA's can there be? It seems to me that there has to be an awful lot less than top status members in competing chains.
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I have been to a few ICs where the GM or deputy GM requested a meeting with me and they said they never had an RA visit or rarely did............. I found it all rather embarrassing (kind of like Emirates crew welcoming you on board as a Gold member when you are sitting in Economy ;-)

so as noted above, there cannot not be all that many RAs and now that they killed off the referral certificate............
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Originally Posted by Land-of-Miles View Post
So I just had a call from an IHG supervisor following up on the call of last month. They confirmed that status would be extended to the end of the year (which we have already worked out) and there would be some unspecified communication at an unspecified time detailing the new qualification criteria (there will be some but she couldn't discuss with me).

My feedback was that this is customer hostile and that I have zero intention of playing these games re: RA anymore and that I would be cancelling all forward bookings and shifting to alternative chains. As per my earlier post enough is enough. My $30k a year of income is probably an irrelevance in the broad scheme of things but I will not continue being treated like this.

It might well be that the new qualification criteria is better and/or that I have already qualified for next year (by any rational measure I certainly should) but until there are some tangible scheme rules I am no longer prepared to spend an additional penny at IHG hotels.
I AGREE with you and I have also changed to Hilton. Looks like Hilton did something right when they offered me a status match.... Although I really love Intercontinental I have changed most of my coming stays to Hilton/Conrad.

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I AGREE with you and I have also changed to Hilton. Looks like Hilton did something right when they offered me a status match.... Although I really love Intercontinental I have changed most of my coming stays to Hilton/Conrad.

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it's understandable for a myriad of reasons, the changing of the goal posts, with a distinct lack of communication, and changing people's anniversary dates doesn't bode well for many.

enjoy your new life at Hilton

i think they were astute to be generous with their liberal Diamond status matching.
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it's understandable for a myriad of reasons, the changing of the goal posts, with a distinct lack of communication, and changing people's anniversary dates doesn't bode well for many.

enjoy your new life at Hilton

i think they were astute to be generous with their liberal Diamond status matching.
Status matching is good marketing, but I'm not sure how well it works in the long run. I get a free comped Hilton Diamond each year but I don't use it unless I really need to stay at a Hilton. Like there are several very well placed airport Hiltons that I stay at when I need to. So they get a bit of revenue from me thanks to the comped card, but I really don't like most of their bland boring hotels. IC's and many Starwood hotels are more interesting to me and give me much more enjoyable stays.
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Status matching is good marketing, but I'm not sure how well it works in the long run. I get a free comped Hilton Diamond each year but I don't use it unless I really need to stay at a Hilton. Like there are several very well placed airport Hiltons that I stay at when I need to. So they get a bit of revenue from me thanks to the comped card, but I really don't like most of their bland boring hotels. IC's and many Starwood hotels are more interesting to me and give me much more enjoyable stays.
I have also had a comped HH Diamond for the last 5 years (after 11 years of earning it) and my Hilton stays have been pretty minimal but it all depends upon travel patterns.

I now need to regularly visit some UK locations and my Hilton use has increased (because many UK IHG properties are dumps with no meaningful upgrades). I will requalify for Diamond again this year properly (luckily as my BA comp is coming to an end).

I think status matches (and I picked up RA initially and then again some years later after failing once to requalify via the referral scheme) attract a lot of customers who use it for only a year to milk the benefits but it is the 10% that stick which are the target.
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Originally Posted by stimpy View Post
Status matching is good marketing, but I'm not sure how well it works in the long run. I get a free comped Hilton Diamond each year but I don't use it unless I really need to stay at a Hilton. Like there are several very well placed airport Hiltons that I stay at when I need to. So they get a bit of revenue from me thanks to the comped card, but I really don't like most of their bland boring hotels. IC's and many Starwood hotels are more interesting to me and give me much more enjoyable stays.
I don't get any free Diamond-card with Hilton, so for me, the status-match came in very handy, esp. because I didn't get RA.

I haven't stayed at many Hilton-hotels yet, so I really can't compare. However I have stayed at some not so interesting CPs, HIs and Hixs... I willl decide if I change for good after Conrad in HK and Conrad in Beijing.

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I don't get any free Diamond-card with Hilton, so for me, the status-match came in very handy, esp. because I didn't get RA.

I haven't stayed at many Hilton-hotels yet, so I really can't compare. However I have stayed at some not so interesting CPs, HIs and Hixs... I willl decide if I change for good after Conrad in HK and Conrad in Beijing.
I meant Hilton hotels aren't interesting. Most Conrad hotels are very nice, but not all are interesting and few are unique or show local flavor. The Conrad HK is in a group of 3 towers that look the same from the outside. The JW is similar to the Conrad, but the Shangri-La on the inside, especially the Club and Club rooms is a much more interesting hotel. Still if you are doing the bulk of your HHonors stays at Conrad's you should not be too disappointed as they are very comfortable and well appointed.

As for the lower end properties like Hamptons and HI's, there isn't much difference between the chains. It mostly depends on how new the hotel is. A new Hampton is better than an old HI, and vice versa.
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I meant Hilton hotels aren't interesting. Most Conrad hotels are very nice, but not all are interesting and few are unique or show local flavor. The Conrad HK is in a group of 3 towers that look the same from the outside. The JW is similar to the Conrad, but the Shangri-La on the inside, especially the Club and Club rooms is a much more interesting hotel. Still if you are doing the bulk of your HHonors stays at Conrad's you should not be too disappointed as they are very comfortable and well appointed.

As for the lower end properties like Hamptons and HI's, there isn't much difference between the chains. It mostly depends on how new the hotel is. A new Hampton is better than an old HI, and vice versa.
And the comparator is IHG where even the best brand IC can be formulaic and unexceptional (sure there are some great properties in amongst many cookie cutters, but not all IC's are that good)? I would put Conrad and IC on a par, if only Hilton Diamond gave me the benefits that RA does I would never stay another night in an IHG hotel

To be fair though HKG is a bit of a soft choice because the proper IC is exceptional the crappy one down the road however is a different matter.
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And the comparator is IHG where even the best brand IC can be formulaic and unexceptional (sure there are some great properties in amongst many cookie cutters, but not all IC's are that good)?
Aside from a few IC's in the US, What IC's out there are formulaic and unexceptional? Even the poorer HKG property can't be called formulaic. It was quite an interesting hotel when it opened up many years ago. It just needs a re-fresh.
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