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Update 2019: The RA status granted at the start of the calendar year 2017 and 2018 has been based on IC revenue. As from 2019 criteria again have become vague. RA is not achieved through IC spend only. Other, unknown elements are taken into account as well. (Fact: Some users with very high +25k IC spend were not renewed in 2019.)

Update December 2018: it looks like some accounts are proactively being renewed in December 2018, well ahead of the stated expiration of Jan 31, 2019. It is currently unknown what criteria were used, but previous years appeared to indicate around $10K++ in IC spend only.

As before, please Divide EQPs by 10 to get $$$ Spend

JANUARY 2019 RA RENEWAL STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
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NAME.... IHG total (paid)/IC/EQP, break out IC spend if you can
Pseudo Nim 73 IC nights, $14.6K IC spend ($17.7K total),
Shoven 70 (50) IC nights, $17.3K IC spend ($17.3K total),
Unterwegs 52 IC nights, approx $12K net IC spend. No other brands this year! No more mediocre HIs to make status.
Kaix 63 IC nights, $14.4K IC spend ($15.1K total)
Tim O'Brien 26 IC Paid Nights as at Dec 27, when notified of RA renewal, 140,171 EQP, IC Net Spend 14, 017.
Vsevolod4 IHG total 132, IHG total paid 101, IC nights 85, IC Qualified Spend $16.5K, total EQP 398,800, Kimpton nights: 3, RA Ambassador Kit renewed Dec 27, RA renewal (again) and Kimpton Inner Circle upgrade Jan 4.
kaka(mom) 34 nights 1 country (all IC), IC spend:23k USD

ID;Name;Confirm;Kit msg; Revenue ;Nights;Challenge?;Additional Info

40;stimpy;+;none; $9,000.00 ;50;?;RA since 2001 - exceptional renewal
38;turner32;-;none; $9,000.00 ;?;?;8/9 years as RA
49;hannes08;+;01/16/2019; $9,990.00 ;52;2000;renewal probably because of challenge
17;Lewis42;+;12/27/2018; $10,000.00 ;?;2000;renewal probably because of challenge
27;scienm;+;none; $10,032.00 ;32;?;8 years RA
25;hclee01;+;none; $10,142.16 ;37;?;current RA since 2014 - manual renewal
18;annihilation;-;none; $10,605.00 ;39;?;
51;crosskonaftw;?;none; $10,700.00 ;35;?;not yet RA
30;Land-of-Miles;+;none; $10,999.00 ;19;?;
16;Kimsbrand;-;none; $11,297.88 ;5;?;not RA yet. 13,532.92 USD total?
48;Urby38;+;12/27/2018; $11,300.00 ;47;?;Royal since 2012
42;SAWorldVoyager;?;12/21/2018; $11,391.52 ;?;?;
14;Cielito_;+;none; $11,511.00 ;62;no;77/62/8 with 12042 USD after batch
45;whimike;+;none; $11,700.00 ;?;?;RA for about 7 years
10;Unterwegs;+;12/27/2018; $12,000.00 ;52;yes;
44;serendipity1211;+;01/16/2019; $12,300.00 ;45;no;first-time RA
28;cazane;+;12/27/2018; $12,600.00 ;61;no;4 prepaid nights not posted until 27th 11890 -> 12600
11;VaBeachGirl;+;12/27/2018; $12,750.00 ;68;no;
50;lukah;?;none; $12,800.00 ;80;?;3 years RA
15;336;-;none; $12,900.00 ;16;2000;NOT completed challenge / Lots of adjusted stays
1;DonPedro;+;12/21/2018; $12,971.00 ;49;no;
47;SD2019;+;none; $13,000.00 ;35;no;stays erroneously adjusted or marked as overlapping
36;BRUSS;+;01/16/2019; $13,001.00 ;?;?;
13;Tim O'Brien;+;12/27/2018; $14,017.00 ;26;?; Kimpton;
33;marlin1978;?;12/27/2018; $14,182.00 ;46;no;
26;Kaix;?;12/27/2018; $14,400.00 ;63;?;
9;Pseudo Nim;+;12/27/2018; $14,600.00 ;73;?;
41;PMMMDL;?;?; $15,000.00 ;50;?;
23;nicolas75;?;12/27/2018; $15,000.00 ;81;?;
5;sharps1337;+;12/21/2018; $15,200.00 ;79;no;
3;Raynyan (friend2);?;12/21/2018; $15,500.00 ;69;no;
22;pantanal;+;12/27/2018; $16,000.00 ;?;?;
24;vsevolod4;+;12/27/2018; $16,319.00 ;84;no;
34;boekel;?;12/27/2018; $16,950.00 ;60;no;
21;ILS2;+;none; $17,000.00 ;40;?;
8;skaya (2x);+;12/27/2018; $17,000.00 ;?;?;
7;shoven;+;12/27/2018; $17,304.00 ;50;?;
51;EmeraldLady;+;12/27/2018; $18,000.00 ;47;?;
32;Mr. Chan;?;12/21/2018; $19,582.00 ;45;yes;completed challenge
46;kaka;+;12/21/2018; $20,001.00 ;34;no;
31;christenlabelle;?;none; $22,000.00 ;51;1k + Kimpton;
39;marcel.baden;?;12/27/2018; $22,000.00 ;77;?;
35;Flying Lawyer;?;12/27/2018; $22,135.00 ;70;?;
37;Roey007;?;none; $25,000.00 ;42;?;9 years RA - 9k adjustment: no kit message with 11k before
12;IThink;+;12/27/2018; $25,000.00 ;85;no;
19;HadesNL;+;12/27/2018; $28,273.90 ;52;?;
4;Raynyan (friend3);?;12/21/2018; $30,000.00 ;73;no;
29;btravers33;?;12/27/2018; $30,000.00 ;98;?;
2;Raynyan (friend1);?;12/21/2018; $32,000.00 ;75;no;
20;Raynyan;+;12/27/2018; ? ;70;?;~30 nights not counted somehow
6;samjnz;?;12/21/2018; ? ;?;2000;


04 JAN 2018 RA RENEWAL STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
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NAME.... IHG total (paid)/IC/EQP, break out IC spend if you can
Pseudo Nim 139 (116)/85/192K, of which $18K in IC
Boekel 85 (70)55/170K, of which $15K in IC
Tim O'Brien 29 IC Nights 2 Non IC IHG nights, 341,976 EQP
scubaccr 55 paid IC Nights , us$13,000++ / 4paid non-IC nights us$900++ (plus 8x IC reward nights, 20x non-IC reward nights) <== Sorry.. forgot to cop exact EQP values before 1/1/2018 acct zeroing
Cielito_ 81/77/5 - $7,353 F&B + $11,656 Room = $19,009 IC net spend - EQP 468,000 (First Time RA)
hclee01 50 IC us$13k++
Land-of-Miles ?? IC us$10.5k++
cazane 60 IC us$11.8k++
VaBeachGirl 54 IC us$13k++
PiffPaffPuff 60IC us$25k++
??????? 35 IC us$10.2k++ <== first time RA ref PiffPaffPuff colleague
Spitcool 40 IC us$15k++
Eltham 40 IC us$12k++
shoven 43 IC us$15k++ <== first time RA
skaya (partner) ?? IC us$10.2k++ <== renewed
darby1970 62 IC us$13k++
The Mileage Millionaire 102 paid IHG nights / 100 paid IC nights / 229k EQP / $22.7k++ IC spend
Orion_1 8 nights at IC, spent at 2 properties - USD 10,200 in total at ICs (honeymoon...)
HadesNL Elite qualifying points: 239,095, Qualifying nights: 39
Aussielori 50 IC us$8k++ 9.2k overall renewed on 16 jan

04 JAN 2018 RA LOSS STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
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tarek.h ?? IC us$9.1k++

sharps1337 IC us$9.9k++ (and 129 non-IC us$17k++ )

04 JAN 2017 RA RENEWAL STATS (Please include 2016 y/end EQP count)
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NAME.... IHG/IC/IC's EQP $$$$s
SCUBACCR 80/56/13 EQP=14,979 (Split $12864 + $2115)
HANNES08 76/46/10 EQP=11,200
OZ_CATALYST 75/63/8 EQP=14,700 (first Time RA) ($12414 at ICs)
TAREK.H 46/37/4 EQP=14.500 ($10,917 IC Spend)
TravelTheWorld66 147/33/11 EQP=27.972 ($8500 IC Spend)
HCLEE01 67/50/6 EQP=14880
ATACAMA40 82/56/10 EQP=??,???
VaBeachGirl 84/42/12 EQP=15,000
Land-of-Miles 87/73/10 EQP=40,000
SSH4POOH 132/99/28 EQP=50,000
???????? 75/35/8 EQP=??,??? (First Time RA, ref SSH4POOH)
iThink 82/36/11 EQP = 18,200
aussielori 75/45/5 EQP =15,100
1010101 50/48/4 = 12,500
MYSTERY7 63/45/? EQP=25,000 (First Time RA)
EmeraldLady 68/42/10 EQP=15,500
NKU 86/80/5 EQP=20,000
Petrus 110/40/3 EQP=20,000 ($8500 IC Spend)
JOHHENRIK 74/65/10 EQP=16,800
SyLance 76/76/4 EQP=17,500 (RA again after 3years missed)
Pseudo Nim 90/58/15 IC spend $9,500, $17K across chain (175K EQP)
Tim O'Brien 58 nights, EQP 474,576 , July 31, 2017 Year End, renewed to Dec 29, 2017
HadesNL 22/20/7 and us$20,000 ref two posts.
PROTEOME 53/36/? $25,000 (Plus further 30x IC Non-qual nights and 18 IC Award nights) <== nb Maybe/Maybe-Not the IC Non-qual $$'s count as about half EQPs spend, probably > 10k IC qual spend
Chinatrvl 88 nights (in all brands, but c. 75 in ICs), 300,000 EQP, ADR c. 115 USD as I stayed mostly on a locally negotiated rate (spend c. 10k USD)
Unterwegs 78(my count 86)/63/10/285.000 (according to email, I would have expected less. my spending estimate is 15-20K$)
Lewis42 77/39/10 EQP=16010
Whimike 88/35/12 EQP=14220

04 JAN 2017 RA Demotion to xxx Ambassador stats (if > 75/30/3)
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NAME IHG/IC/IC's EQP $$$$s

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Old Oct 3, 16, 11:48 am
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4 paid nights for Spire? Are you joking?
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Old Oct 3, 16, 12:00 pm
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Originally Posted by Land-of-Miles View Post
Buy and cancel part cash part points.

Rack up multiple bonus nights to hit spire after 8 stays

Transfer from VS

Etc. Etc. there are more holes in the IHG Rewards scheme than a piece of Swiss cheese.

If you actually believe the revenue numbers in the "leaked" IHG presentation re: AMB it implies that IHG would be better off if they scrapped RA entirely.
i don't think IHG are flying blind, i think they are fully aware of the program's idiosyncrasies, i think they're fully cognisant of the holes you refer to.

don't you think IHG are fully aware of the 'cash and points' cancel process? i honestly don't think they'd learn about that in this thread?

i believe they are aware of achieving Spire, without even walking into a IHG property, and frankly, i'm not sure that Spire is even worth 8 stays? compare that to 25 at Hyatt for a lot lot more, suites, and breakfast in higher standard properties than CP, HI, et al, where Spire is relevant!

i firmly believe they consciously choose to deliver their IT at the sub standard they deliver it, as a trade off to keep a lid on costs, same for Makati outsourced customer support, it's just a strategic position they take, not out of ignorance, but rather for economic reasons.
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Originally Posted by beachmouse View Post
For some people, part of the charm with IHG is that there are loopholes within the T&C that let you earn EQ points beyond just hotel stays. Those loopholes are perfectly honest since they're within the rules, unlike the old grey (and later black) areas of stackable promo codes for stays. But that's not what gets you to RA so not really on topic in a RA discussion.

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Aiming for Spire on 4 paid nights and about $750 in spend in a perfectly within the rules sort of way.
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4 paid nights for Spire? Are you joking?
you're right, they should offer the Spire benefits for entry level customers
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I doubt it. If they did, they would investigate and shut down all the schemes that are hatched on how to build up stay credits and points on less than honest ways.

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How was it possible to dishonestly build up stay credits in the past?
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How was it possible to dishonestly build up stay credits in the past?
Most common - Booking rooms for someone else (2nd guest) and using your account to get stay and point credits.

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4 paid nights for Spire? Are you joking?
Lots and lots of 'partner points' through eRewards. And lots and lots of 'sharing my thoughts' about car insurance and cell phone service.

I'm also within a few hundred points of Gold with Accor with zero stays or spend, though they're changing things in 2017 so that's a one year deal.

As long as the program rules allow such things, it amuses me to just kind of run with it and see how far I can get.
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Originally Posted by MXM135 View Post
Most common - Booking rooms for someone else (2nd guest) and using your account to get stay and point credits.

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well in fairness, any program wld be vunerable to consumers choosing to do that, keep in mind the recipient party wld not earn any credits, or points, so no net loss for the hotel program?
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well in fairness, any program wld be vunerable to consumers choosing to do that, keep in mind the recipient party wld not earn any credits, or points, so no net loss for the hotel program?
No they aren't many other programmes explicitly state that benefits are only for the status holder and those accompanying him and rigorously enforce this. Some Starwood properties won't even give an upgrade unless the cardholder turns up and there would be no chance of night or point credit without appearing in person.

IHG seems not to care about this at all.
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No they aren't many other programmes explicitly state that benefits are only for the status holder and those accompanying him and rigorously enforce this. Some Starwood properties won't even give an upgrade unless the cardholder turns up and there would be no chance of night or point credit without appearing in person.

IHG seems not to care about this at all.
yes, and IHG aren't disadvantaged by this, because the points, and stay credits only go to one party. no additional cost to them, just more business, they may otherwise not have been given.
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No they aren't many other programmes explicitly state that benefits are only for the status holder and those accompanying him and rigorously enforce this. Some Starwood properties won't even give an upgrade unless the cardholder turns up and there would be no chance of night or point credit without appearing in person.

IHG seems not to care about this at all.
Yes Starwood will not give out any benefits, credit or points at all unless the account holder shows up with proper ID. They are the only ones that do this and that practice began maybe 5 or 6 years ago if I recall correctly. Hilton, Accor, IHG, etc., do not care. And yes they probably get more business because of it.
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yes, and IHG aren't disadvantaged by this, because the points, and stay credits only go to one party. no additional cost to them, just more business, they may otherwise not have been given.
Honest members should care about this however because it wobbles the numbers, it means undeserving non-status customers competing for upgrades (under the fraudulent status holders account), it potentially means a higher average stay/night/spend/make it up as they go along number for status renewal.

This type of fraud really isn't in the interests of anyone honest.
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Originally Posted by Land-of-Miles View Post
Honest members should care about this however because it wobbles the numbers, it means undeserving non-status customers competing for upgrades (under the fraudulent status holders account), it potentially means a higher average stay/night/spend/make it up as they go along number for status renewal.

This type of fraud really isn't in the interests of anyone honest.
make it up as they go along number for status renewal



i've never offered my account to anyone else, nor utilised anyone else's account, and other than the stacking of promo codes they used to promote as a marketing tool, i don't imagine there's too much corruption in the program.

oh, save the PB nights in China, when they were being manipulated, but they've remedied that now.
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OK, here's my wild ... guess. They will begin a new RA program in January and most of you will like it very much. Those of you who have been given this weird extension to the end of 2016 will most likely get 2017 as RA.

However those of us who received a full year extension to X-date 2017 (Aug 2017 in my case), are the first batch of new Lifetime RA's. What do you think? I actually like it.
i just spoke with Makati, my year end date hasn't shifted in the sands, like the sands of the hourglass, from the Days of Our Lives.

so i'm now celebrating your theory, my end date is also Aug, 2017, Lifetime RA

when i asked for my year end date, the girl misunderstood me, and gave me the speal, that all decisions are being made by head office, and that they can't see the RA info anymore.
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i just spoke with Makati, my year end date hasn't shifted in the sands, like the sands of the hourglass, from the Days of Our Lives.

so i'm now celebrating your theory, my end date is also Aug, 2017, Lifetime RA

when i asked for my year end date, the girl misunderstood me, and gave me the speal, that all decisions are being made by head office, and that they can't see the RA info anymore.
Is it not possible that the explanation here is much simpler than lifetime RA (which I don't see happening and if it did it would carry a lifetime HH DIA type requirement of 1000 nights and 10 years)?

Isn't it just more likely that you requalified in the normal cycle at the end of July (one month ahead of your expiry) and that IHG has only decided to push this change for years expiring from end September or who had not hit the pre-qualification for status extension of a end August expiring year by the end of July?
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