New RA qualifying criteria based on IC Revenue

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Update December 2018: it looks like some accounts are proactively being renewed in December 2018, well ahead of the stated expiration of Jan 31, 2019. It is currently unknown what criteria were used, but previous years appeared to indicate around $10K++ in IC spend only.

As before, please Divide EQPs by 10 to get $$$ Spend

JANUARY 2019 RA RENEWAL STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
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NAME.... IHG total (paid)/IC/EQP, break out IC spend if you can
Pseudo Nim 73 IC nights, $14.6K IC spend ($17.7K total),
Shoven 70 (50) IC nights, $17.3K IC spend ($17.3K total),
Unterwegs 52 IC nights, approx $12K net IC spend. No other brands this year! No more mediocre HIs to make status.
Kaix 63 IC nights, $14.4K IC spend ($15.1K total)
Tim O'Brien 26 IC Paid Nights as at Dec 27, when notified of RA renewal, 140,171 EQP, IC Net Spend 14, 017.
Vsevolod4 IHG total 132, IHG total paid 101, IC nights 85, IC Qualified Spend $16.5K, total EQP 398,800, Kimpton nights: 3, RA Ambassador Kit renewed Dec 27, RA renewal (again) and Kimpton Inner Circle upgrade Jan 4.
kaka(mom) 34 nights 1 country (all IC), IC spend:23k USD

ID;Name;Confirm;Kit msg; Revenue ;Nights;Challenge?;Additional Info

40;stimpy;+;none; $9,000.00 ;50;?;RA since 2001 - exceptional renewal
38;turner32;-;none; $9,000.00 ;?;?;8/9 years as RA
49;hannes08;+;01/16/2019; $9,990.00 ;52;2000;renewal probably because of challenge
17;Lewis42;+;12/27/2018; $10,000.00 ;?;2000;renewal probably because of challenge
27;scienm;+;none; $10,032.00 ;32;?;8 years RA
25;hclee01;+;none; $10,142.16 ;37;?;current RA since 2014 - manual renewal
18;annihilation;-;none; $10,605.00 ;39;?;
51;crosskonaftw;?;none; $10,700.00 ;35;?;not yet RA
30;Land-of-Miles;+;none; $10,999.00 ;19;?;
16;Kimsbrand;-;none; $11,297.88 ;5;?;not RA yet. 13,532.92 USD total?
48;Urby38;+;12/27/2018; $11,300.00 ;47;?;Royal since 2012
42;SAWorldVoyager;?;12/21/2018; $11,391.52 ;?;?;
14;Cielito_;+;none; $11,511.00 ;62;no;77/62/8 with 12042 USD after batch
45;whimike;+;none; $11,700.00 ;?;?;RA for about 7 years
10;Unterwegs;+;12/27/2018; $12,000.00 ;52;yes;
44;serendipity1211;+;01/16/2019; $12,300.00 ;45;no;first-time RA
28;cazane;+;12/27/2018; $12,600.00 ;61;no;4 prepaid nights not posted until 27th 11890 -> 12600
11;VaBeachGirl;+;12/27/2018; $12,750.00 ;68;no;
50;lukah;?;none; $12,800.00 ;80;?;3 years RA
15;336;-;none; $12,900.00 ;16;2000;NOT completed challenge / Lots of adjusted stays
1;DonPedro;+;12/21/2018; $12,971.00 ;49;no;
47;SD2019;+;none; $13,000.00 ;35;no;stays erroneously adjusted or marked as overlapping
36;BRUSS;+;01/16/2019; $13,001.00 ;?;?;
13;Tim O'Brien;+;12/27/2018; $14,017.00 ;26;?; Kimpton;
33;marlin1978;?;12/27/2018; $14,182.00 ;46;no;
26;Kaix;?;12/27/2018; $14,400.00 ;63;?;
9;Pseudo Nim;+;12/27/2018; $14,600.00 ;73;?;
41;PMMMDL;?;?; $15,000.00 ;50;?;
23;nicolas75;?;12/27/2018; $15,000.00 ;81;?;
5;sharps1337;+;12/21/2018; $15,200.00 ;79;no;
3;Raynyan (friend2);?;12/21/2018; $15,500.00 ;69;no;
22;pantanal;+;12/27/2018; $16,000.00 ;?;?;
24;vsevolod4;+;12/27/2018; $16,319.00 ;84;no;
34;boekel;?;12/27/2018; $16,950.00 ;60;no;
21;ILS2;+;none; $17,000.00 ;40;?;
8;skaya (2x);+;12/27/2018; $17,000.00 ;?;?;
7;shoven;+;12/27/2018; $17,304.00 ;50;?;
51;EmeraldLady;+;12/27/2018; $18,000.00 ;47;?;
32;Mr. Chan;?;12/21/2018; $19,582.00 ;45;yes;completed challenge
46;kaka;+;12/21/2018; $20,001.00 ;34;no;
31;christenlabelle;?;none; $22,000.00 ;51;1k + Kimpton;
39;marcel.baden;?;12/27/2018; $22,000.00 ;77;?;
35;Flying Lawyer;?;12/27/2018; $22,135.00 ;70;?;
37;Roey007;?;none; $25,000.00 ;42;?;9 years RA - 9k adjustment: no kit message with 11k before
12;IThink;+;12/27/2018; $25,000.00 ;85;no;
19;HadesNL;+;12/27/2018; $28,273.90 ;52;?;
4;Raynyan (friend3);?;12/21/2018; $30,000.00 ;73;no;
29;btravers33;?;12/27/2018; $30,000.00 ;98;?;
2;Raynyan (friend1);?;12/21/2018; $32,000.00 ;75;no;
20;Raynyan;+;12/27/2018; ? ;70;?;~30 nights not counted somehow
6;samjnz;?;12/21/2018; ? ;?;2000;


04 JAN 2018 RA RENEWAL STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
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NAME.... IHG total (paid)/IC/EQP, break out IC spend if you can
Pseudo Nim 139 (116)/85/192K, of which $18K in IC
Boekel 85 (70)55/170K, of which $15K in IC
Tim O'Brien 29 IC Nights 2 Non IC IHG nights, 341,976 EQP
scubaccr 55 paid IC Nights , us$13,000++ / 4paid non-IC nights us$900++ (plus 8x IC reward nights, 20x non-IC reward nights) <== Sorry.. forgot to cop exact EQP values before 1/1/2018 acct zeroing
Cielito_ 81/77/5 - $7,353 F&B + $11,656 Room = $19,009 IC net spend - EQP 468,000 (First Time RA)
hclee01 50 IC us$13k++
Land-of-Miles ?? IC us$10.5k++
cazane 60 IC us$11.8k++
VaBeachGirl 54 IC us$13k++
PiffPaffPuff 60IC us$25k++
??????? 35 IC us$10.2k++ <== first time RA ref PiffPaffPuff colleague
Spitcool 40 IC us$15k++
Eltham 40 IC us$12k++
shoven 43 IC us$15k++ <== first time RA
skaya (partner) ?? IC us$10.2k++ <== renewed
darby1970 62 IC us$13k++
The Mileage Millionaire 102 paid IHG nights / 100 paid IC nights / 229k EQP / $22.7k++ IC spend
Orion_1 8 nights at IC, spent at 2 properties - USD 10,200 in total at ICs (honeymoon...)
HadesNL Elite qualifying points: 239,095, Qualifying nights: 39
Aussielori 50 IC us$8k++ 9.2k overall renewed on 16 jan

04 JAN 2018 RA LOSS STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
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tarek.h ?? IC us$9.1k++

sharps1337 IC us$9.9k++ (and 129 non-IC us$17k++ )

04 JAN 2017 RA RENEWAL STATS (Please include 2016 y/end EQP count)
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NAME.... IHG/IC/IC's EQP $$$$s
SCUBACCR 80/56/13 EQP=14,979 (Split $12864 + $2115)
HANNES08 76/46/10 EQP=11,200
OZ_CATALYST 75/63/8 EQP=14,700 (first Time RA) ($12414 at ICs)
TAREK.H 46/37/4 EQP=14.500 ($10,917 IC Spend)
TravelTheWorld66 147/33/11 EQP=27.972 ($8500 IC Spend)
HCLEE01 67/50/6 EQP=14880
ATACAMA40 82/56/10 EQP=??,???
VaBeachGirl 84/42/12 EQP=15,000
Land-of-Miles 87/73/10 EQP=40,000
SSH4POOH 132/99/28 EQP=50,000
???????? 75/35/8 EQP=??,??? (First Time RA, ref SSH4POOH)
iThink 82/36/11 EQP = 18,200
aussielori 75/45/5 EQP =15,100
1010101 50/48/4 = 12,500
MYSTERY7 63/45/? EQP=25,000 (First Time RA)
EmeraldLady 68/42/10 EQP=15,500
NKU 86/80/5 EQP=20,000
Petrus 110/40/3 EQP=20,000 ($8500 IC Spend)
JOHHENRIK 74/65/10 EQP=16,800
SyLance 76/76/4 EQP=17,500 (RA again after 3years missed)
Pseudo Nim 90/58/15 IC spend $9,500, $17K across chain (175K EQP)
Tim O'Brien 58 nights, EQP 474,576 , July 31, 2017 Year End, renewed to Dec 29, 2017
HadesNL 22/20/7 and us$20,000 ref two posts.
PROTEOME 53/36/? $25,000 (Plus further 30x IC Non-qual nights and 18 IC Award nights) <== nb Maybe/Maybe-Not the IC Non-qual $$'s count as about half EQPs spend, probably > 10k IC qual spend
Chinatrvl 88 nights (in all brands, but c. 75 in ICs), 300,000 EQP, ADR c. 115 USD as I stayed mostly on a locally negotiated rate (spend c. 10k USD)
Unterwegs 78(my count 86)/63/10/285.000 (according to email, I would have expected less. my spending estimate is 15-20K$)
Lewis42 77/39/10 EQP=16010
Whimike 88/35/12 EQP=14220

04 JAN 2017 RA Demotion to xxx Ambassador stats (if > 75/30/3)
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NAME IHG/IC/IC's EQP $$$$s

[Archived - no longer valid] New (Royal) Ambassador Criteria

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Old Apr 30, 19, 5:25 am
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You are fully correct. In the past RA was a great discount programme allowing you to book a lower category (for a lower price) to get the room you wanted. This is clearly gone.
No it is not at all clearly gone. Far from it. There are a few reports from a few hotels that are following the new rules, as well as a few reports from a few hotels that are not following the new rules. In my case none of my IC stays have resulted in lesser rooms than before. I think you will need a lot more data before you can draw any conclusions beyond your own personal RA experiences.
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I have to say that so far I have been treatrd the same as always at my 2 most regular IC, both have pointed out the mini bar change but there was no question of usage at the first when checking out and at the second the club team have set up an ice bucket of beer each night for us so instead of the 2 beers in the mini bar previous I now get 6 before I even think of going in the mini bar.
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No it is not at all clearly gone. Far from it. There are a few reports from a few hotels that are following the new rules, as well as a few reports from a few hotels that are not following the new rules. In my case none of my IC stays have resulted in lesser rooms than before. I think you will need a lot more data before you can draw any conclusions beyond your own personal RA experiences.
If you have to roll the dice each time then it is gone I am afraid. You might get lucky but that luck is going to increasingly run out as the penny wise, pound foolish gravity of the changes takes hold.

As for competing chains, their upgrade policy doesn't matter if prepared to pay full price, it then just becomes a price/value game as to where a given amount of spend gets me most value. The loyalty scheme will rarely enter that equation.
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If you have to roll the dice each time then it is gone I am afraid. You might get lucky but that luck is going to increasingly run out as the penny wise, pound foolish gravity of the changes takes hold.
There's no luck involved if I am staying at my preferred IC's. But yes it could be the case at an IC that I don't frequent. However I have an optimistic attitude that these negative changes around upgrades and mini-bar will swing back the other way soon enough. The RA program has been with us a rather long time. These short term problems won't last.
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I have to say that so far I have been treatrd the same as always at my 2 most regular IC, both have pointed out the mini bar change but there was no question of usage at the first when checking out and at the second the club team have set up an ice bucket of beer each night for us so instead of the 2 beers in the mini bar previous I now get 6 before I even think of going in the mini bar.
It's because you're a regular guest there.. as you mentioned.. What about other RAs who stay there?
Me too, I'm not worrying about where I visit regularly..

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There's no luck involved if I am staying at my preferred IC's. But yes it could be the case at an IC that I don't frequent. However I have an optimistic attitude that these negative changes around upgrades and mini-bar will swing back the other way soon enough. The RA program has been with us a rather long time. These short term problems won't last.
I tend to take a harder look at it because fundamentally all my hotel costs come out of my own wallet rather than a huge corporate purse.

If the properties at which you are a frequent guest treat you so well (and that has not been my own personal experience) then RA also means nothing because the property would treat you well regardless right? It is hardly a ringing endorsement of the RA programme is it, more "look at me I am ok!".
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I’m not arguing with you, I just think all of us want to get upgrade especially when we travel busiest and pricy city such as NY, London or Paris. When I was in Paris last time, I stayed IC Le Grand and Westin Vendome. IC gave me 2 tier upgrade which was small, street view room. Westin gave me very nice Junior Suite with Eiffel tower view.
At IC Bangkok, RA will get corner suite only when we book higher price executive room. Marriott or Hyatt.. almost always suite upgrade. This is what I’m sad about. RA deserve upgrade more than just 2 tier because we are living in a View Room World.. so many views with same room type..
There is new IC ANA Beppu resort and they already excluded ALL SUITES for upgrade.
understood, i am never particularly happy at the Barclay getting 1 bed suite, paying $100 supplement on top of the least expensive room,.

current four night stay in Boston, fully booked, i cld only book 2 of 4 nights, reached out to contact at property, i booked 1 x RA free night, 2 x paid nights for basic room $599 a night, and a reward 70K night, received the fourth best suite in the hotel under their Presidential, and two Penthouse suites. Club Intercontinental Ambassador Suite, 2,100 sqft, lovely wall to floor glass views over the river, large living space...

This 2,100-square-foot suite boasts a living room, six-person dining table, and Fort Point Channel waterfront views. Enjoy Club InterContinental® access with Wi-Fi, a pantry, study and marble bathroom with rainfall shower, dual vanity, and deep soaking tub.

to me it still represents good value. the room was going for 3K a night. i've ending up paying $1,300 inc taxes for four nights, ADR $300, using 70K points, and a free RA night.
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I only stayed once pre-refurb but was upgraded from the suite I booked to the Presidential suite.

I don't want a suite upgrade from a base room, I want a 2 cat upgrade from whatever I book to the room that I really want. RA used to guarantee me this, now it doesn't. That means I effectively have to pay for the room type I want. That is fine but then RA has no benefit does it? I don't value club access terribly highly (as often I am unable to make afternoons or evening sessions) and the room/suite type I would normally book would have club access anyway, the minibar benefit has been eviscerated (which used to make up a bit for ridiculous club timings for anyone with a real job). I am struggling really hard to see what is left. If I have no benefit from RA then there is nothing to make me spend £xxx at an IC rather than at a competitor or boutique independent.
i don't disagree, for me too the most attractive benefit was booking two or three tiers under the target suite, and that leverage can be great with the high end suites.

that and the new Mini bar restriction has effectively gutted the real attraction of RA.

whilst i tend to be pretty brand loyal, i can imagine going for Marriott given their expanded footprint, and the Ritz's are better standard for the most part compared to IC.

the problem with the jump is a year of sacrifice going for status with another chain. like changing dental insurance in the States, you effectively have to carry two policies for a year, just incase something major happens.

if Marriot was 20K spend or 100 nights, i'd do it.
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No it is not at all clearly gone. Far from it. There are a few reports from a few hotels that are following the new rules, as well as a few reports from a few hotels that are not following the new rules. In my case none of my IC stays have resulted in lesser rooms than before. I think you will need a lot more data before you can draw any conclusions beyond your own personal RA experiences.
agreed, i think the upgrade issues isn't over either, in respect of the mini bar, that took me a bit of work last week at the Barclay, i just got a $400 bill for mini bar, after we reduced it to $200 after the RA benefit was applied, they were then kind enough, or i shld say one very nice contact at the property was nice enough to write off about 4 beers a day @$12 plus tax, so netted down to essentially nothing, and they did give us a $200 stay credit, for the club lounge not being available one day, so can't complain, but i do know them there.

the real test is when staying at properties where you don't have a stay history.....
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There's no luck involved if I am staying at my preferred IC's. But yes it could be the case at an IC that I don't frequent. However I have an optimistic attitude that these negative changes around upgrades and mini-bar will swing back the other way soon enough. The RA program has been with us a rather long time. These short term problems won't last.
once they've trained us to consume less of the Mini Bar....

i am optimist too, we'll have to wait to they fix their marketing team, we shld start a petition to bring back Ruth!!

it's difficult for governments to reduce taxes once the opposition party has put them up.
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understood, i am never particularly happy at the Barclay getting 1 bed suite, paying $100 supplement on top of the least expensive room,.

current four night stay in Boston, fully booked, i cld only book 2 of 4 nights, reached out to contact at property, i booked 1 x RA free night, 2 x paid nights for basic room $599 a night, and a reward 70K night, received the fourth best suite in the hotel under their Presidential, and two Penthouse suites. Club Intercontinental Ambassador Suite, 2,100 sqft, lovely wall to floor glass views over the river, large living space...

This 2,100-square-foot suite boasts a living room, six-person dining table, and Fort Point Channel waterfront views. Enjoy Club InterContinental® access with Wi-Fi, a pantry, study and marble bathroom with rainfall shower, dual vanity, and deep soaking tub.

to me it still represents good value. the room was going for 3K a night. i've ending up paying $1,300 inc taxes for four nights, ADR $300, using 70K points, and a free RA night.
Nice coincidence, as I am travelling to Boston and I am actually going to stay in Ambassador Suite you mentioned this weekend.
Seems like the room is called, in its full term, Royal Ambassador Suite, so literally Royal Ambassadors staying in Royal Ambassador Suites

In my case I booked Executive Suite for 2 nights, rates being around 600USD per day.
The rate for Ambassador Suite was, when I booked the lower-category room, about 1800USD.
Nice shopping!

Among the properties I have stayed at, IC Hong Kong is the only one that implements one-suite-category upgrade policy
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Nice coincidence, as I am travelling to Boston and I am actually going to stay in Ambassador Suite you mentioned this weekend.
Seems like the room is called, in its full term, Royal Ambassador Suite, so literally Royal Ambassadors staying in Royal Ambassador Suites

In my case I booked Executive Suite for 2 nights, rates being around 600USD per day.
The rate for Ambassador Suite was, when I booked the lower-category room, about 1800USD.
Nice shopping!

Among the properties I have stayed at, IC Hong Kong is the only one that implements one-suite-category upgrade policy
how is it, do you like the room, are you in the opposite the club lounge, we have stayed in two different ones, one the level under club as well IIRC.
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