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Update December 2018: it looks like some accounts are proactively being renewed in December 2018, well ahead of the stated expiration of Jan 31, 2019. It is currently unknown what criteria were used, but previous years appeared to indicate around $10K++ in IC spend only.

As before, please Divide EQPs by 10 to get $$$ Spend

JANUARY 2019 RA RENEWAL STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
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NAME.... IHG total (paid)/IC/EQP, break out IC spend if you can
Pseudo Nim 73 IC nights, $14.6K IC spend ($17.7K total),
Shoven 70 (50) IC nights, $17.3K IC spend ($17.3K total),
Unterwegs 52 IC nights, approx $12K net IC spend. No other brands this year! No more mediocre HIs to make status.
Kaix 63 IC nights, $14.4K IC spend ($15.1K total)
Tim O'Brien 26 IC Paid Nights as at Dec 27, when notified of RA renewal, 140,171 EQP, IC Net Spend 14, 017.
Vsevolod4 IHG total 132, IHG total paid 101, IC nights 85, IC Qualified Spend $16.5K, total EQP 398,800, Kimpton nights: 3, RA Ambassador Kit renewed Dec 27, RA renewal (again) and Kimpton Inner Circle upgrade Jan 4.
kaka(mom) 34 nights 1 country (all IC), IC spend:23k USD

ID;Name;Confirm;Kit msg; Revenue ;Nights;Challenge?;Additional Info

40;stimpy;+;none; $9,000.00 ;50;?;RA since 2001 - exceptional renewal
38;turner32;-;none; $9,000.00 ;?;?;8/9 years as RA
49;hannes08;+;01/16/2019; $9,990.00 ;52;2000;renewal probably because of challenge
17;Lewis42;+;12/27/2018; $10,000.00 ;?;2000;renewal probably because of challenge
27;scienm;+;none; $10,032.00 ;32;?;8 years RA
25;hclee01;+;none; $10,142.16 ;37;?;current RA since 2014 - manual renewal
18;annihilation;-;none; $10,605.00 ;39;?;
51;crosskonaftw;?;none; $10,700.00 ;35;?;not yet RA
30;Land-of-Miles;+;none; $10,999.00 ;19;?;
16;Kimsbrand;-;none; $11,297.88 ;5;?;not RA yet. 13,532.92 USD total?
48;Urby38;+;12/27/2018; $11,300.00 ;47;?;Royal since 2012
42;SAWorldVoyager;?;12/21/2018; $11,391.52 ;?;?;
14;Cielito_;+;none; $11,511.00 ;62;no;77/62/8 with 12042 USD after batch
45;whimike;+;none; $11,700.00 ;?;?;RA for about 7 years
10;Unterwegs;+;12/27/2018; $12,000.00 ;52;yes;
44;serendipity1211;+;01/16/2019; $12,300.00 ;45;no;first-time RA
28;cazane;+;12/27/2018; $12,600.00 ;61;no;4 prepaid nights not posted until 27th 11890 -> 12600
11;VaBeachGirl;+;12/27/2018; $12,750.00 ;68;no;
50;lukah;?;none; $12,800.00 ;80;?;3 years RA
15;336;-;none; $12,900.00 ;16;2000;NOT completed challenge / Lots of adjusted stays
1;DonPedro;+;12/21/2018; $12,971.00 ;49;no;
47;SD2019;+;none; $13,000.00 ;35;no;stays erroneously adjusted or marked as overlapping
36;BRUSS;+;01/16/2019; $13,001.00 ;?;?;
13;Tim O'Brien;+;12/27/2018; $14,017.00 ;26;?; Kimpton;
33;marlin1978;?;12/27/2018; $14,182.00 ;46;no;
26;Kaix;?;12/27/2018; $14,400.00 ;63;?;
9;Pseudo Nim;+;12/27/2018; $14,600.00 ;73;?;
41;PMMMDL;?;?; $15,000.00 ;50;?;
23;nicolas75;?;12/27/2018; $15,000.00 ;81;?;
5;sharps1337;+;12/21/2018; $15,200.00 ;79;no;
3;Raynyan (friend2);?;12/21/2018; $15,500.00 ;69;no;
22;pantanal;+;12/27/2018; $16,000.00 ;?;?;
24;vsevolod4;+;12/27/2018; $16,319.00 ;84;no;
34;boekel;?;12/27/2018; $16,950.00 ;60;no;
21;ILS2;+;none; $17,000.00 ;40;?;
8;skaya (2x);+;12/27/2018; $17,000.00 ;?;?;
7;shoven;+;12/27/2018; $17,304.00 ;50;?;
51;EmeraldLady;+;12/27/2018; $18,000.00 ;47;?;
32;Mr. Chan;?;12/21/2018; $19,582.00 ;45;yes;completed challenge
46;kaka;+;12/21/2018; $20,001.00 ;34;no;
31;christenlabelle;?;none; $22,000.00 ;51;1k + Kimpton;
39;marcel.baden;?;12/27/2018; $22,000.00 ;77;?;
35;Flying Lawyer;?;12/27/2018; $22,135.00 ;70;?;
37;Roey007;?;none; $25,000.00 ;42;?;9 years RA - 9k adjustment: no kit message with 11k before
12;IThink;+;12/27/2018; $25,000.00 ;85;no;
19;HadesNL;+;12/27/2018; $28,273.90 ;52;?;
4;Raynyan (friend3);?;12/21/2018; $30,000.00 ;73;no;
29;btravers33;?;12/27/2018; $30,000.00 ;98;?;
2;Raynyan (friend1);?;12/21/2018; $32,000.00 ;75;no;
20;Raynyan;+;12/27/2018; ? ;70;?;~30 nights not counted somehow
6;samjnz;?;12/21/2018; ? ;?;2000;


04 JAN 2018 RA RENEWAL STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
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NAME.... IHG total (paid)/IC/EQP, break out IC spend if you can
Pseudo Nim 139 (116)/85/192K, of which $18K in IC
Boekel 85 (70)55/170K, of which $15K in IC
Tim O'Brien 29 IC Nights 2 Non IC IHG nights, 341,976 EQP
scubaccr 55 paid IC Nights , us$13,000++ / 4paid non-IC nights us$900++ (plus 8x IC reward nights, 20x non-IC reward nights) <== Sorry.. forgot to cop exact EQP values before 1/1/2018 acct zeroing
Cielito_ 81/77/5 - $7,353 F&B + $11,656 Room = $19,009 IC net spend - EQP 468,000 (First Time RA)
hclee01 50 IC us$13k++
Land-of-Miles ?? IC us$10.5k++
cazane 60 IC us$11.8k++
VaBeachGirl 54 IC us$13k++
PiffPaffPuff 60IC us$25k++
??????? 35 IC us$10.2k++ <== first time RA ref PiffPaffPuff colleague
Spitcool 40 IC us$15k++
Eltham 40 IC us$12k++
shoven 43 IC us$15k++ <== first time RA
skaya (partner) ?? IC us$10.2k++ <== renewed
darby1970 62 IC us$13k++
The Mileage Millionaire 102 paid IHG nights / 100 paid IC nights / 229k EQP / $22.7k++ IC spend
Orion_1 8 nights at IC, spent at 2 properties - USD 10,200 in total at ICs (honeymoon...)
HadesNL Elite qualifying points: 239,095, Qualifying nights: 39
Aussielori 50 IC us$8k++ 9.2k overall renewed on 16 jan

04 JAN 2018 RA LOSS STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
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tarek.h ?? IC us$9.1k++

sharps1337 IC us$9.9k++ (and 129 non-IC us$17k++ )

04 JAN 2017 RA RENEWAL STATS (Please include 2016 y/end EQP count)
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NAME.... IHG/IC/IC's EQP $$$$s
SCUBACCR 80/56/13 EQP=14,979 (Split $12864 + $2115)
HANNES08 76/46/10 EQP=11,200
OZ_CATALYST 75/63/8 EQP=14,700 (first Time RA) ($12414 at ICs)
TAREK.H 46/37/4 EQP=14.500 ($10,917 IC Spend)
TravelTheWorld66 147/33/11 EQP=27.972 ($8500 IC Spend)
HCLEE01 67/50/6 EQP=14880
ATACAMA40 82/56/10 EQP=??,???
VaBeachGirl 84/42/12 EQP=15,000
Land-of-Miles 87/73/10 EQP=40,000
SSH4POOH 132/99/28 EQP=50,000
???????? 75/35/8 EQP=??,??? (First Time RA, ref SSH4POOH)
iThink 82/36/11 EQP = 18,200
aussielori 75/45/5 EQP =15,100
1010101 50/48/4 = 12,500
MYSTERY7 63/45/? EQP=25,000 (First Time RA)
EmeraldLady 68/42/10 EQP=15,500
NKU 86/80/5 EQP=20,000
Petrus 110/40/3 EQP=20,000 ($8500 IC Spend)
JOHHENRIK 74/65/10 EQP=16,800
SyLance 76/76/4 EQP=17,500 (RA again after 3years missed)
Pseudo Nim 90/58/15 IC spend $9,500, $17K across chain (175K EQP)
Tim O'Brien 58 nights, EQP 474,576 , July 31, 2017 Year End, renewed to Dec 29, 2017
HadesNL 22/20/7 and us$20,000 ref two posts.
PROTEOME 53/36/? $25,000 (Plus further 30x IC Non-qual nights and 18 IC Award nights) <== nb Maybe/Maybe-Not the IC Non-qual $$'s count as about half EQPs spend, probably > 10k IC qual spend
Chinatrvl 88 nights (in all brands, but c. 75 in ICs), 300,000 EQP, ADR c. 115 USD as I stayed mostly on a locally negotiated rate (spend c. 10k USD)
Unterwegs 78(my count 86)/63/10/285.000 (according to email, I would have expected less. my spending estimate is 15-20K$)
Lewis42 77/39/10 EQP=16010
Whimike 88/35/12 EQP=14220

04 JAN 2017 RA Demotion to xxx Ambassador stats (if > 75/30/3)
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NAME IHG/IC/IC's EQP $$$$s

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Old Jan 15, 19, 11:54 am
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That assumes a reply will be forthcoming, I don't have one after a week.
i wld try again, it's possible it fell through the cracks.......

no downside.
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I would only start raising hell after Jan 31, which is the current expiry for RA. I don't think it's in any way "decided" until then, so I wouldn't jump to emailing people and so on quite yet. Just my two cents.
we differ in MO, there's more than half a dozen that have been upgraded, or renewed, after emails prompted reviews, earlier the better IMO, you don't know if they have a total number they want to limit to?

i can't see any downside for asking for a manual review now, if at least over the USD12K Net IC spend hurdle, marginally less if RA for many years.
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Old Jan 15, 19, 12:03 pm
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It makes it very hard to plan stays into 2019 without certainty though.

I have pushed all my paid stays to Marriott and Hilton and am burning down my remaining IHG points until I have clarity. I am working to the assumption that a renewal won't happen and I will make no paid stays at IHG this year right now, even though there are several IC stays I would like to book in preference.
for that reason alone, i wld email straight away, you have preference for a several IC's, if they replied positively you'd stay where you want (and be happy), and have the broader option for the rest of the year
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Old Jan 15, 19, 12:12 pm
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Isn't it likely that they are going to considerably expand the RA pool by giving RA to those who qualified for Kimpton IC. I suspect this is all just a here and now numbers thing and that future revenue or past spend is now irrelevant.
i don't disagree, evidently the Karma program was popular, with Inner Circle having the same, or similar enjoyment we have with RA, but when they folded into IHG Rewards Club, they had push-back.

i have a feeling they may be only giving Inner Circle to RA's, and not necessarily the other way around, ie not 100% sure Inner Circles are getting RA bestowed upon them. I guess there'd be threads indicating if they are.

the Inner Circle benefits aren't really on par with RA, USD10 or 15 Mini bar, one tier upgrades? etc

re past/future spend, they can't be sure of future spend, but past spend is the best predictor of future spend, so surely they need to focus on 2018 Net IC spend, and for those at the margin, like say yourself, and Stimpy, for example, look at history of RA, Stimpy i believe is 18 years, RA since 2001, so that has to weigh a lot, and avg spend over the years must also be considered.

i'd keep pushing.

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for that reason alone, i wld email straight away, you have preference for a several IC's, if they replied positively you'd stay where you want (and be happy), and have the broader option for the rest of the year
No I am done with it, if they don't want my business it is what it is. I am beyond begging for status, I can live with my benefits elsewhere.
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Old Jan 15, 19, 3:40 pm
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No I am done with it, if they don't want my business it is what it is. I am beyond begging for status, I can live with my benefits elsewhere.
fair enough, although wld be terrible if it was inadvertently deleted or fell through the cracks some other way?

you don't know the IHG people, there's no cause for embarrassment, and it's not begging, it's just being persistent!!
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No I am done with it, if they don't want my business it is what it is. I am beyond begging for status, I can live with my benefits elsewhere.
Please do not get me wrong, but I'm not sure if we are talking about loyalty and of being worth it, to be invited to an unpublished tier, if you spend only 19 nights as expensive as possible in high-priced rooms / houses just to reach a supposed limit, and all other nights are distributed in other programs.

Sure, doing 11,000+ USD of business in only 19 nights is very high value for IHG. But I have understanding for it, that IHG wants to avoid this behavior of borderline RAs.

On the other hand, it is absurd and incredible that every year, all sorts of senior management have to be asked to review accounts manually due to adjusted stays and they still have not solved this problem. They are well aware of it and nonetheless, they urge their most valuable individual customers every year to beg by writing to them. I had the pleasure that IC Düsseldorf posted a non-qualifying night for no reason during a 2000€-stay in another city, which implied more than 2100 USD of overlapping net spend

I am ok with an unpublished criteria and with the uncertainty associated with it, as long as 2000+ USD stays don't go out the window for no reason and as long as the benefits compensate the uncertainty.

But what's left of the program, if the whole $ 50 credit, does -not- get me even a *single* mini-bottle of champagne in Lisbon... as a SOLO traveler? What's left? ... That the credit is good for snacks? Most of ICs I visit, don't charge for snacks anyway, like IC Lisbon.
What's left? Check in as early as 10am, which was never denied when I was Spire Ambassador? I prefer doing without the new night certificate and free breakfast as minimalist "compensation" for no lounge offering, than getting the new mini-bar and early check in "enhancements".

Given that the hurdle and uncertainty is getting higher and higher and the total number of RAs becomes more and more limited (according to someone here less than a few hundred in Europe), I would have to assume that Royal Ambassador and its benefits is getting more exclusive.

Even if I could do it again as RA in 2019, I am no longer maximally motivated to overcome the invisible RA-hurdle.
A friend, first time RA in 2017, has already moved a significant amount of his >150 nights/year, he used to spend in only 4 ICs. He just does not care that he is still RA for whole 2019.

I am not sure, if this is the "behavior" the hotel owners, the Vice President, Global Loyalty Programs, LuxuryLoyalty and the Head of Luxury are looking for...

But I am sure, that the behavior of the mentioned person stealing 7 champagne bottles and 70 miniatures of a premium suite may be a result of an amateur at corporate office, that invited accidentally demoted RAs with less then 6,000 USD spend due to an email sent in error on Jan 12, 2018
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Old Jan 15, 19, 4:56 pm
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Warm greetings from the InterContinental Ambassador Service Center!

Thank you for your e-mail. I hope you're doing well.

We are currently processing Royal Ambassador invitations for 2019. As we review each member individually, processing and communication of Royal Ambassador is undertaken in batches. All communication is expected to be completed by 31 January, prior to the expiry of your current membership. At this time I am unable to confirm the current status of invitations for 2019.

with the upcoming USD 50 mini-bar credit, you can be sure all the IC hotels offering the fake two category upgrades will be pricing champagne and any good wine at USD 59++ ;-)
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My account has just been renewed! Royal Ambassador Status plus Inner Circle Upgrade. New $10k journey has started again.
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My account has just been renewed! Royal Ambassador Status plus Inner Circle Upgrade. New $10k journey has started again.
Lol congrats, told you!

Now I have to figure out how to get my Inner Circle status...
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My account has just been renewed! Royal Ambassador Status plus Inner Circle Upgrade. New $10k journey has started again.
Congrats! You had slightly more than 10k net spend right? Excuse me if I overread it, but have you been RA since several years or was it your first renewal?
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Lol congrats, told you!

Now I have to figure out how to get my Inner Circle status...
Thanks!! Since I have never stayed at Kimptons, you would get inner circle status automatically I guess.
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Congrats! You had slightly more than 10k net spend right? Excuse me if I overread it, but have you been RA since several years or was it your first renewal?
It's been 8 years and now 9 years of RA.
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Old Jan 15, 19, 11:11 pm
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My account has just been renewed! Royal Ambassador Status plus Inner Circle Upgrade. New $10k journey has started again.
if that 11K IC Net spend is accurate, not understated, you are a most interesting data point........ congratulations

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if that 10K IC Net spend is accurate, not understated, you are a most interesting data point........ congratulations
just had the renewal and IC upgrade too last night.
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